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From: "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix*.ne*.co*>
To: "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Scout bulbs
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:31:54 -0400
Trey wrote:

> "heat from shorted batteries" ?

Yep.  Heat from shorted batteries.  It's a pretty routine event.  Salt water
shorts the battery and, presto, it heats up.  It's a pretty well known
problem.  I'm surprised you didn't know about it.

> Hello, Mom? Lee, have you ever actually been diving, and do you have any
> experience with anything other than getting on dive lists and saying
stupid ,
> misinformed, ridiculous things and then trying to pretend you know what
you are
> talking about?

Hello, Trey?  Did you forget that some of us dive in salt water?

You seem to have a short memory or, perhaps, don't bother to read what
others have to say, so I'll repeat it for you.  Yes, I go diving.  I started
in 1962 after a home course given by a YMCA instructor and have been active
every since.  My first card came from NAUI in 1969 when it became hard to
get air without one.  I did my cave diving back in the mid to late 60s.  It
was nothing like what you're doing now, but it was extreme for recreational
divers of the time.  I do something in the range of 50 dives a year.  I
didn't record anything for the first 30 years and am still not real good
about doing so.  I've had a boat of my own since I was 6.  If I count my
kayak and inflatable, I have 4 diveable boats at the moment and have made an
offer on another.  I live in the same county as you do, know some of the
same people and, when I use a commercial operator, dive off of some of the
same boats you do.  I dive almost exclusively salt water.  I have a Haclyon
stainless plate and 18 lb lift wing, breath the long hose on a Scuba Pro
Mk-20/G250 with a R380 on a necklace.  I have two scout lights on the
harness at all times.  I also have a Halcyon aluminum plate that I'm
configuring for dive travel.  All of this was purchased from a store you
know well, it's right next door to the Southport Raw Bar.  Remember the
place?  It's called Brownies.

My Scout light flooded, so did another posters.  When mine did, I went back
to Brownies.  They are the ones who told me about the problem reflectors
from UK.  I didn't come up with it, I just repeated it here.  I also said
that the light is robust and that it was replaced promptly as I expected it
would be.  I believe I had some nice things to say about the light, the
shop, the the manufacturer and the CEO of the company.  Which of these do
you not agree with?

> I know the history of all of these pieces of equipment and am involved in
> the evolution of every one of them. Just to correct your other piece of
> bullshit, there are two basic similar light heads that those guys make,
and
> one will not fit where the other is designed to go - at all.

Well, then I suppose the folks at Brownies were wrong.  Be sure to tell them
next time you stop into the shop.

> The problem is as I was saying, and a leaking light needs to be returned
or thrown
> away, not taken on dives.

You seem to be having a problem with reading.  Nobody, and certainly not me,
said that a leaking light should be taken on a dive, ever.  I said I
returned mine and it was replaced.  It seems that we agree on a key element.
Not bad for a moron.  Perhaps you throw away $80 lights that fail, but most
of us prefer to return them for a refund or replacement, as I did.  It also
seems that I have a higher opinion of the Scout light than you do.  I don't
expect a light that expensive to fail the second time it hits the water, as
mine did.  I expected the light to work consistently and reliably
specifically because it was developed for an environment that is unforgiving
of equipment failures and is manufacturered by someone who appears to care
about the quality of his products.  When the light did not live up to my
expectations, I looked into why and got an answer that satisfied me.  If it
had not, I would not be using Scout lights today.  If the answer is wrong,
then perhaps I should stop using them now.  Is that your recommendation?
Tell me quickly because I'm about to introduce another diver to equipment JJ
makes and if there's a quality problem, I'd like to know about it.

> You are not, do not, and have never been involved in anything but bullshit
> on the web. You are the best example of what Capt JT is always complaining
> about .

No, I'm the best example of what you are always complaining about, a diver
who bothers to think for himself and make his own informed decisions on
equipment and diving issues.  You're just going to have to live with the
fact that not everyone thinks that blindly following another, even if it's
you, is a real great idea.  I've learned a lot directly and indirectly from
members of your team, but since I have no desire or expectation of joining
your team, you'll just have to get over the fact that I can and will think
and decide for myself.

Lee

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