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Trey:
At 60% Helium are we still talking about a normoxic fill? How much =
dollars are we talking per tank fill?
Gordon=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Trey=20
To: Gliviak, Jozef ; Quest@Gu*. Com ; Wkpp@Ya*. Com ; =
Cavers@Ca*.Co*=20
Cc: 'Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com'=20
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 7:12 PM
Subject: RE: [wkpp] FW: Redundant Rebreathers & The Doux de Coly
The inflation device is nothing more than a racing bike innertube =
wound around the top of the bottle and inflated to about 1". It is =
unnecessary if you :1) use enough helium, 2) use plastic pressure =
gauges, 3) your hardware is minimal, and you use the Luxfer tanks. The =
reason you have not seen it is that it is not that noticeable in the =
photos, but look again knowing it is there and you will see it.
=20
We used to use it a lot but now even when I dive shallow cave like =
Manatee I put enough helium in the mixes to keep the bottles near =
neutral. Pina and I like to dive the back of that cave and it takes a =
few stages to get there from Catfish and dive without using back gas. =
This requires that the stages not be heavy or it will slow you down too =
much. We have been using the same sets of doubles without filling them =
for months in there only occasionally Haskelling heliox into them to top =
them off.
=20
Not all of out guys have Haskells so some of out bottles are not above =
the 65-70% helium mark that it takes to keep them neutral, and that is =
why we initially used the tubes. We were using them mostly to get large =
blacks of bottles way back in the cave, and it worked well. We then =
deflate them ...
-----Original Message-----
From: Gliviak, Jozef [mailto:Jozef.Gliviak@co*.co*]
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 3:41 AM
To: 'Trey'
Cc: 'Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com'
Subject: RE: [wkpp] FW: Redundant Rebreathers & The Doux de Coly
George, can you share with us a picture or description of your tiny =
inflation device so we doesn't have to reinvent the wheel?
Thanx in advance.
=20
Best regards
=20
Jozef Gliviak
Slovakia
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Trey [mailto:trey@ne*.co*]
Sent: 11. okt=F3bra 2001 13:17
To: John Brett; Wkpp@Ya*. Com; Quest@Gu*. Com>
Cc: Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com
Subject: RE: [wkpp] FW: Redundant Rebreathers & The Doux de Coly
=20
If one uses Luxfer Al 80's with 65% or more helium, they are =
neutral to slightly positive and we can pull a train of them with us, =
dropping of sets of two every 1200 feet. We also have a tiny inflation =
device on the bottles to make them exactly neutral for carrying long =
distance.
=20
=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Trey:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>At 60% Helium are we still talking =
about a=20
normoxic fill? How much dollars are we talking per tank =
fill?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Gordon </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*" title=3Dtrey@ne*.co*>Trey</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:Jozef.Gliviak@co*.co*" =
title=3DJozef.Gliviak@co*.co*>Gliviak,=20
Jozef</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:Quest@Gu*. Com" =
title=3Dquest@gu*.co*>Quest@Gue.=20
Com</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:Wkpp@Ya*. Com"=20
title=3Dwkpp@ya*.co*>Wkpp@Yahoogroups. Com</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:Cavers@Ca*.Co*" =
title=3Dcavers@ca*.co*>Cavers@Cavers.Com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:'Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com'"=20
title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com>'Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 12,
2001 =
7:12=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [wkpp] FW: =
Redundant=20
Rebreathers & The Doux de Coly</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D977430211-12102001><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial size=3D2>The=20
inflation device is nothing more than a racing bike innertube wound =
around the=20
top of the bottle and inflated to about 1". It is unnecessary if you =
:1) use=20
enough helium, 2) use plastic pressure gauges, 3) your hardware is =
minimal,=20
and you use the Luxfer tanks. The reason you have not seen it is that =
it is=20
not that noticeable in the photos, but look again knowing it is there =
and you=20
will see it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D977430211-12102001><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D977430211-12102001><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial size=3D2>We=20
used to use it a lot but now even when I dive shallow cave like =
Manatee I put=20
enough helium in the mixes to keep the bottles near neutral. Pina and =
I like=20
to dive the back of that cave and it takes a few stages to get there =
from=20
Catfish and dive without using back gas. This requires that the stages =
not be=20
heavy or it will slow you down too much. We have been using the same =
sets of=20
doubles without filling them for months in there only occasionally =
Haskelling=20
heliox into them to top them off.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D977430211-12102001><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D977430211-12102001><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial size=3D2>Not=20
all of out guys have Haskells so some of out bottles are not above the =
65-70%=20
helium mark that it takes to keep them neutral, and that is why we =
initially=20
used the tubes. We were using them mostly to get large blacks of =
bottles way=20
back in the cave, and it worked well. We then deflate them=20
...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Gliviak,
Jozef=20
[mailto:Jozef.Gliviak@co*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October =
12, 2001=20
3:41 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Trey'<BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
'Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [wkpp] FW:
Redundant =
Rebreathers & The Doux de Coly<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D816393407-12102001>George, can you share with us a picture =
or=20
description of your tiny inflation device so we doesn't have to =
reinvent the wheel?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D816393407-12102001>Thanx in advance.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D816393407-12102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D816393407-12102001>Best regards</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D816393407-12102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D816393407-12102001> Jozef Gliviak</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D816393407-12102001> Slovakia</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D816393407-12102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Trey=20
[mailto:trey@ne*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 11. okt=F3bra 2001=20
13:17<BR><B>To:</B> John Brett; Wkpp@Ya*. Com; Quest@Gu*.=20
Com><BR><B>Cc:</B>
Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
RE: [wkpp]=20
FW: Redundant Rebreathers & The Doux de Coly<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D499050311-11102001><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D499050311-11102001><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>If one uses Luxfer Al 80's with 65% or more helium, they =
are=20
neutral to slightly positive and we can pull a train of them with =
us,=20
dropping of sets of two every 1200 feet. We also have a tiny =
inflation=20
device on the bottles to make them exactly neutral for carrying =
long=20
distance.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D499050311-11102001><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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