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Hi Jim
Sometimes I get caught up in my own little world of diving and forget the
only reason I even stay on this list is to help some new diver avoid things
I have seen, and yes even things I have done. It is very hard to keep
things from becoming "personal" in a debate when all I ever hear is how
fucked up I am and how many times must I have to defend or agree with the
scooter shit. Yes, I have an ego, yes I wish it would not stick it's ugly
head out.
I could be just like almost everyone else that has achieved some success in
diving and not post anything or worse just post how perfect all my dives
are. Anyone who dives to any degree of depth or distance has a number of
failed or less than perfect dives on that road to the one perfect dive that
are far and few. My dive reputation would fair much better by just placing
those perfect dives on my web site with only those perfect dives on wrecks
and depths that are out of most divers range. Yet I share the good and bad
dives with you and anyone else who wishes to look into my world or wonder
what really happens. I make myself available to anyone at any level to dive
on the same boat and if you stay long enough you get to fall asleep and be
part of the "fly trick", it's all in fun.
The one thing I will always keep saying (and it will never change) is dive,
dive ,dive. There is no piece of gear,kit configuration, or training that
can replace experience, but everything adds up. Jumps in depth should be
done in small moderations and I would think that cave distances would be
the same rule, but that's not my bag, ask a caver.
I will always think highly of the divers that paved the way for me, no
matter what other divers think of them or how much I disagree/argue with
them. Without those guys I would not be here. I have far surpass a lot of
the oldtimers marks and skill. As I get into my later years now it is only
a matter of time before the younger guys who are willing to beat their
chest and risk their life to go where I have been and may be farther. Maybe
even Duane is that guy and clearly he has hooked up with the guys who can
help him get there.
JT
At 08:24 AM 10/3/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Capt,
>
>Here's some numbers from a lurker - I've got a little over 300 logged
>dives (about half in overhead), never been 12,000ft back in a cave, never
>been past 143' in depth (and, like a dumbass, that was on air several
>years ago). And Capt, you're probably right, 99% of us on the list
>probably have not done those dives you mentioned. I've got a great deal
>of respect for both you and George and learn a good bit from your
>exchanges with folks on this list. Now that you've dogged Duane into a
>box why don't you put your dick back in your pants and give it a
>rest. All I'm learning now is that the possibility exists that you could
>be an asshole.
>
>Jim Holcomb
>
>
>At 05:34 PM 10/2/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>>Funny how I was able to pick 2 sets of numbers that totally put 99% of
>>the divers on this list out of being able to answer it and then you can't
>>even follow the directions. You reached down deep to use the scooter crap
>>on 2 different posts. That's what's wrong with this list, guys like Duane
>>and you don't have a clue, but are the ones that like to post. I put info
>>out on the scooters depth range, what it's good for/to and not good
>>for/to. Then you guys can't get me on anything else and go for the shit.
>>On your best day you couldn't even make it to my deep stop on the big
>>dives, on your worst day, I'll be the asshole that has to recover you for
>>trying to go that deep.... Hasn't Trey pounded you enough without me
>>having to do it to. If you really need to know, the scooter doesn't make
>>it past 309ft, all the other dives I did I swam it.
>>
>>
>>At 10:10 PM 10/1/01 -0700, terry michael wrote:
>>> >If you have not done 1000 dives with one of those past a depth 450ft
>>> in the
>>> >open ocean or a cave dive of not less than 12,000 ft do not answer this,
>>> >lets see who comes out of lurking......
>>>
>>>There's only a couple of caves in the world that you can do this kind of
>>>distance and you haven't been in any of them. As for the 450ft dives are
>>>you doing those on the carabineer yellow mount on top DPV or are you
>>>these swim dives? stroke it!.:-0
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: "Capt JT"<captjt@mi*.co*>
>>>To: "MHK"<mhkane@pr*.ne*>, "Christian
>>>Gerzner"<christiang@cc*.co*.au*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
>>>Date: Mon Oct 01 17:54:58 PDT 2001
>>>Subject: Re: Who does the dives???
>>>
>>> >Hi Mike
>>> >You know that I speak the truth, you have seen me in the worst times and
>>> >the fun times. All that in just a few dives. I dive, you dive, and a
>>> lot of
>>> >other guys. We know who does, most of the real talk happens in private
>>> with
>>> >the guys who do it, this list is dominated by non-divers and rookies that
>>> >post, but everyone lurks on here. Good info comes out sometimes and egos
>>> >are big, mine included, have had to deal with myself sometimes. I
>>> still put
>>> >out info that I hope will help someone, even when I fuck up. If you can't
>>> >defend yourself on this list with truth and facts or the right answer,
>>> >someone will come out of hiding and pound you. You get tough or you
>>> get off
>>> >until you get it right, others lurk. Time to change the subject line.....
>>> >
>>> >If you have not done 1000 dives with one of those past a depth 450ft
>>> in the
>>> >open ocean or a cave dive of not less than 12,000 ft do not answer this,
>>> >lets see who comes out of lurking......
>>> >
>>> >JT
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > At 05:18 PM 10/1/01 -0700, MHK wrote:
>>> >>JT,
>>> >>
>>> >>As you well know, the bottom line is that we all know who does the dives,
>>> >>and who talks about doing the dives...
>>> >>
>>> >>Other then that it's all BS...
>>> >>
>>> >>Later
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>----- Original Message -----
>>> >>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
>>> >>To: "Christian Gerzner" <christiang@cc*.co*.au*>;
>>> >><techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>> >>Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 3:18 PM
>>> >>Subject: Re: buddy teams, was Re: Death of Eric Reichardt, 9/16/01
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > Christian, I watch and read almost every stupid post that is made
>>> on this
>>> >> > list. I can often see a pattern of post from new guys such as
>>> Duane who
>>> >> > take a class and their dick grows about 20 inches. I think it's
>>> funny as
>>> >> > shit myself, pull all his post up if you want, I did and found what I
>>> >> > needed to know, he's a rookie with less than 200 dives. More than
>>> likely
>>> >> > only 100. In the military to boot, a pilot, gee I think he sounds like
>>> >>that
>>> >> > guy Dave Somton another? ;-) Why did I do it, most likely to rattle is
>>> >> > nerves and test him, he failed...... he needs all you guys to bail him
>>> >>out,
>>> >> > couldn't do it on his own..... Lacks experience in the water and
>>> on the
>>> >> > list. ;-))) You guys keep helping him, he needs it.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > At 11:22 AM 10/1/01 +1100, Christian Gerzner wrote:
>>> >> > >Capt JT wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > > Trey, keep working on him, there is hope.....he stills lacks the
>>> >> > > > experience to back up his post.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >He does, does he?
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >I have yet to see anything, ANYTHING, from you in which you refute
>>> >> > >what Duane Liptak originally posted. All you have done so far is try
>>> >> > >to put him down, entirely unsuccessfully I might add.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >Duane's original post was IMHO spot on. So what made you go off
>>> >> > >frothing at the mouth?
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >Christian
>>> >> > >(snip)
>>> >> > >--
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>>> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
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>>> `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to
>>> get in
>>> >>the
>>> >> > water"
>>> >> > Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
>>> >> > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/
>>> >> > Email captjt@mi*.co*
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
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>>> >> >
>>> >
>>> >"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get
>>> in the
>>> >water"
>>> >Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
>>> > Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/
>>> >Email captjt@mi*.co*
>>> >
>>> >
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>>
>>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in
>>the water"
>>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
>> Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/
>>Email captjt@mi*.co*
>>
>>
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>
>Jim Holcomb
><http://www.x-divers.com/>x-divers.<http://www.x-divers.com/>com
"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the
water"
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Hi Jim<br>
Sometimes I get caught up in my own little world of diving and forget the
only reason I even stay on this list is to help some new diver avoid
things I have seen, and yes even things I have done. It is very hard to
keep things from becoming "personal" in a debate when all I
ever hear is how fucked up I am and how many times must I have to defend
or agree with the scooter shit. Yes, I have an ego, yes I wish it would
not stick it's ugly head out. <br>
<br>
I could be just like almost everyone else that has achieved some success
in diving and not post anything or worse just post how perfect all my
dives are. Anyone who dives to any degree of depth or distance has a
number of failed or less than perfect dives on that road to the one
perfect dive that are far and few. My dive reputation would fair much
better by just placing those perfect dives on my web site with only those
perfect dives on wrecks and depths that are out of most divers range. Yet
I share the good and bad dives with you and anyone else who wishes to
look into my world or wonder what really happens. I make myself available
to anyone at any level to dive on the same boat and if you stay long
enough you get to fall asleep and be part of the "fly trick",
it's all in fun.<br>
<br>
The one thing I will always keep saying (and it will never change) is
dive, dive ,dive. There is no piece of gear,kit configuration, or
training that can replace experience, but everything adds up. Jumps in
depth should be done in small moderations and I would think that cave
distances would be the same rule, but that's not my bag, ask a
caver.<br>
<br>
I will always think highly of the divers that paved the way for me, no
matter what other divers think of them or how much I disagree/argue with
them. Without those guys I would not be here. I have far surpass a lot of
the oldtimers marks and skill. As I get into my later years now it is
only a matter of time before the younger guys who are willing to beat
their chest and risk their life to go where I have been and may be
farther. Maybe even Duane is that guy and clearly he has hooked up with
the guys who can help him get there. <br>
<br>
JT<br>
<br>
At 08:24 AM 10/3/01 -0400, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>Capt,<br>
<br>
Here's some numbers from a lurker - I've got a little over 300 logged
dives (about half in overhead), never been 12,000ft back in a cave, never
been past 143' in depth (and, like a dumbass, that was on air several
years ago). And Capt, you're probably right, 99% of us on the list
probably have not done those dives you mentioned. I've got a great
deal of respect for both you and George and learn a good bit from your
exchanges with folks on this list. Now that you've dogged Duane
into a box why don't you put your dick back in your pants and give it a
rest. All I'm learning now is that the possibility exists that you
could be an asshole.<br>
<br>
Jim Holcomb<br>
<br>
<br>
At 05:34 PM 10/2/2001 -0400, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>Funny how I was able to pick 2 sets of numbers
that totally put 99% of the divers on this list out of being able to
answer it and then you can't even follow the directions. You reached down
deep to use the scooter crap on 2 different posts. That's what's wrong
with this list, guys like Duane and you don't have a clue, but are the
ones that like to post. I put info out on the scooters depth range, what
it's good for/to and not good for/to. Then you guys can't get me on
anything else and go for the shit. On your best day you couldn't even
make it to my deep stop on the big dives, on your worst day, I'll be the
asshole that has to recover you for trying to go that deep.... Hasn't
Trey pounded you enough without me having to do it to. If you really need
to know, the scooter doesn't make it past 309ft, all the other dives I
did I swam it.<br>
<br>
<br>
At 10:10 PM 10/1/01 -0700, terry michael wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>>If you have not done 1000 dives with one
of those past a depth 450ft in the<br>
>open ocean or a cave dive of not less than 12,000 ft do not answer
this,<br>
>lets see who comes out of lurking......<br>
<br>
There's only a couple of caves in the world that you can do this kind of
distance and you haven't been in any of them. As for the 450ft dives are
you doing those on the carabineer yellow mount on top DPV or are you
these swim dives? stroke it!.:-0<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: "Capt JT"<captjt@mi*.co*><br>
To: "MHK"<mhkane@pr*.ne*>, "Christian
Gerzner"<christiang@cc*.co*.au*>,
techdiver@aquanaut.com<br>
Date: Mon Oct 01 17:54:58 PDT 2001<br>
Subject: Re: Who does the dives???<br>
<br>
>Hi Mike<br>
>You know that I speak the truth, you have seen me in the worst times
and<br>
>the fun times. All that in just a few dives. I dive, you dive, and a
lot of<br>
>other guys. We know who does, most of the real talk happens in
private with<br>
>the guys who do it, this list is dominated by non-divers and rookies
that<br>
>post, but everyone lurks on here. Good info comes out sometimes and
egos<br>
>are big, mine included, have had to deal with myself sometimes. I
still put<br>
>out info that I hope will help someone, even when I fuck up. If you
can't<br>
>defend yourself on this list with truth and facts or the right
answer,<br>
>someone will come out of hiding and pound you. You get tough or you
get off<br>
>until you get it right, others lurk. Time to change the subject
line.....<br>
><br>
>If you have not done 1000 dives with one of those past a depth 450ft
in the<br>
>open ocean or a cave dive of not less than 12,000 ft do not answer
this,<br>
>lets see who comes out of lurking......<br>
><br>
>JT<br>
><br>
><br>
> At 05:18 PM 10/1/01 -0700, MHK wrote:<br>
>>JT,<br>
>><br>
>>As you well know, the bottom line is that we all know who does
the dives,<br>
>>and who talks about doing the dives...<br>
>><br>
>>Other then that it's all BS...<br>
>><br>
>>Later<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>----- Original Message -----<br>
>>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*><br>
>>To: "Christian Gerzner"
<christiang@cc*.co*.au*>;<br>
>><techdiver@aquanaut.com><br>
>>Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 3:18 PM<br>
>>Subject: Re: buddy teams, was Re: Death of Eric Reichardt,
9/16/01<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > Christian, I watch and read almost every stupid post that
is made on this<br>
>> > list. I can often see a pattern of post from new guys such
as Duane who<br>
>> > take a class and their dick grows about 20 inches. I think
it's funny as<br>
>> > shit myself, pull all his post up if you want, I did and
found what I<br>
>> > needed to know, he's a rookie with less than 200 dives.
More than likely<br>
>> > only 100. In the military to boot, a pilot, gee I think he
sounds like<br>
>>that<br>
>> > guy Dave Somton another? ;-) Why did I do it, most likely
to rattle is<br>
>> > nerves and test him, he failed...... he needs all you guys
to bail him<br>
>>out,<br>
>> > couldn't do it on his own..... Lacks experience in the
water and on the<br>
>> > list. ;-))) You guys keep helping him, he needs it.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > At 11:22 AM 10/1/01 +1100, Christian Gerzner
wrote:<br>
>> > >Capt JT wrote:<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > > Trey, keep working on him, there is hope.....he
stills lacks the<br>
>> > > > experience to back up his post.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > >He does, does he?<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > >I have yet to see anything, ANYTHING, from you in which
you refute<br>
>> > >what Duane Liptak originally posted. All you have done
so far is try<br>
>> > >to put him down, entirely unsuccessfully I might
add.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > >Duane's original post was IMHO spot on. So what made
you go off<br>
>> > >frothing at the mouth?<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > >Christian<br>
>> > >(snip)<br>
>> > >--<br>
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`techdiver@aquanaut.com'.<br>
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`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later
you have to get in<br>
>>the<br>
>> > water"<br>
>> > Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast &
more<br>
>> > Web Site
<a href="http://www.capt-jt.com/"
eudora="autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com/</a><br>
>> > Email captjt@mi*.co*<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
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><br>
>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to
get in the<br>
>water"<br>
>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast &
more<br>
> Web Site
<a href="http://www.capt-jt.com/"
eudora="autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com/</a><br>
>Email captjt@mi*.co*<br>
><br>
><br>
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