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Hello David: You dive on open boats (or the "open" caves) doing less extreme stuff with or around those that are at where you want to go. If you are good, you will be noticed. If you need help in the form of refinements in gear, technique etc. etc., if you ask you will get it. Once people know you and see what you can do, the appropriate invitations will come. The one thing that will never happen (or at least should never happen) is that you get invited on an extreme dive based on your internet personna. Often, we will organize extreme dives and get emails from people we don't know who want to join us. They all get the same answer. ---- If you have the necessary qualifactions, join us on an "open" boat and dive one of the less challenging Pompano wrecks. Show us what you can do. ---- Most of them complain and call us "elitist". I don't think anyone has EVER taken us up on the offer. In my opinion, only a complete idiot would invite an otherwise total stranger on an extreme dive based on either his "cyberspace accomplishments" or his certification levels alone. A competent diver with a good attitude is always a welcome player (at the appropriate level) on any field. Have patience. Your chances will come. Good luck. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: David Burnworth <xlh883@ea*.ne*> To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:03 PM Subject: Re: Who does the dives??? > Here's a question since we are talking about required quals. for a given > type of dive. How does one go about getting that experience if he/she is > denied doing the dives in the first place due to lack of experience? > > D Burnworth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <RDecker388@ao*.co*> > To: <jimholcomb@x-*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: Who does the dives??? > > > > In a message dated 10/3/01 11:08:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > jimholcomb@x-*.co* writes: > > > > > Here's some numbers from a lurker - I've got a little over <snip> > > > > Jim, et al, > > > > Logged dives numbers can be really misleading and are not, IMHO, a > reliable > > indicator of skill and/or experience. If a diver claims 1000 dives, but > > those dives are typically only 20 minutes in duration, it doesn't really > > amount to a lot of experience. In contrast, someone like you that does a > > fair share of cave diving will frequently log dives of 60 to 90 minutes > > duration, may easily match or exceed the total underwater experience of a > > 1000 dive diver with 300 or so dives. Compare a 1000 dives on a reef or > in a > > quarry to 200 or 300 dives on deeper wrecks or in caves and there's a vast > > difference in the quality of the experience as well. > > > > Similarly, a single dive to 450 fsw or 12,000 feet back in a cave doesn't > > necessarily mean much either. Anyone can get lucky once, possibly even 2 > or > > 3 times. Frankly I'd be more impressed with the diver that consistently > logs > > dives in the 100 fsw to 200 fsw range, in quantities of 75 or more dives > per > > year. Now granted, someone that consistently does dives deeper than 250 > fsw > > and/or frequently makes penetrations more than 5000 feet in length on a > > regular basis definately is demonstrating a level of accomplishment worthy > of > > respect. But an occassional foray past such limits may be as much luck as > > skill. > > > > Personally, I like long bottom times while avoiding rediculously long > hangs > > in the open ocean environment. As such, I have little desire to go much > > beyond 250 fsw and, having nothing to prove by doing so, haven't bothered > to > > so far. I probably haven't been much more than 2000 or 3000 ft. from open > > water in any overhead environment. My dive log shows in excess of 1100 > > dives, how many I've failed to log is anyone's guess. I don't even own a > > scooter. If that makes me less of a diver, oh well. If someone wants to > > impress me with dives logged, deepest dive or longest penetration, good > luck. > > I am not that easily impressed by dog and pony shows. > > > > Bob D. > > owner-NCtechdivers@sportdiverhq.com > > www.SportDiverHQ.com > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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