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Just as I thought, I told you in private you were a moron..... Your first
post proves it, you even call yourself a weenie..... check out his first
post from Sept 2000 ( that's just one year ago) and he lives here in Va
some where, I never even heard of him around here, any of you guys in
VBtech know him? You ain't nothing but an Internet Diver, stop posting you
don't have a clue....
http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?45180,from
At 03:11 PM 9/20/01 -0500, Duane Liptak Jr. wrote:
><snip>
>
> >You are diving as a buddy team at this point, lets agree on this because
> >you entered the water together.
>
> This is a dangerous statement. Co-located individuals do not a buddy
> team make. What we have here is two individuals who have talked about
> their respective dive plans, and chosen to conduct them
> concurrently. Each of them had a different dive objective, had different
> life support systems that their counterpart may or may not have had more
> than passing familiarity with, and neither of them planned to keep the
> other under observation during critical or task loaded phases of the
> dive, namely descent and deco ("25 minute planned bottom times, with
> total run times of 107 minutes and 121 minutes", "Eric was to shoot his
> own bag" ). On top of this, there was no support. Dropping down the
> same shot line doesn't mean you are paying close enough attention to the
> other guy to make a damn of difference. They were diving solo--the
> original post states this as an agreed upon fact, and rightfully so.
>
> >Eric is the diver at
> >risk and should have been in front for you to easily monitor. It does not
> >matter if it is a camera, video camera, or gear to collect fish. Those
> >divers should lead as this extra gear puts them at risk. The weakest diver
> >should also always goes first.
>
>Well, I partially agree with this part, but...If the dive would have been
>conducted as a "no shit" team effort, they both would have monitored each
>other more closely for problems during descent, and the rest of the dive,
>for that matter, and would have been diving the same gear configuration so
>they would have been more capable of useful assistance in the event of a
>problem. An occasional look over one's shoulder doesn't cut it,
>especially when you're both diving different pieces of crap stroke gear
>that require you to turn more knobs and levers than the man behind the
>curtain in the Wizard of Oz.
>
>To Mike--I'm sorry you lost a friend. BUT, I'm even more sorry that
>neither of you saw the writing on the wall early enough to stop this
>nonsense. What bothers me even more--and I hope I'm wrong here--is the
>fact that you will probably keep on doing the same shit until it catches
>up to you.
>
>
>Duane
>
>
"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in the
water"
Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/
Email captjt@mi*.co*
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Just as I thought, I told you in private you were a moron..... Your first
post proves it, you even call yourself a weenie..... check out his first
post from Sept 2000 ( that's just one year ago) and he lives here in Va
some where, I never even heard of him around here, any of you guys in
VBtech know him? You ain't nothing but an Internet Diver, stop posting
you don't have a clue....<br>
<br>
<a
href="http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?45180,from"
eudora="autourl">http://www.aquanaut.com/bin/mlist/aquanaut/techdiver/display?45
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At 03:11 PM 9/20/01 -0500, Duane Liptak Jr. wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><snip><br>
<br>
>You are diving as a buddy team at this point, lets agree on this
because <br>
>you entered the water together.<br>
<br>
This is a dangerous statement. Co-located
individuals do not a buddy team make. What we have here is two
individuals who have talked about their respective dive plans, and chosen
to conduct them concurrently. Each of them had a different dive
objective, had different life support systems that their counterpart may
or may not have had more than passing familiarity with, and neither of
them planned to keep the other under observation during critical or task
loaded phases of the dive, namely descent and deco ("25 minute
planned bottom times, with total run times of 107 minutes and 121
minutes", "Eric was to shoot his own bag" ). On top
of this, there was no support. Dropping down the same shot line
doesn't mean you are paying close enough attention to the other guy to
make a damn of difference. They were diving solo--the original post
states this as an agreed upon fact, and rightfully so. <br>
<br>
>Eric is the diver at <br>
>risk and should have been in front for you to easily monitor. It does
not <br>
>matter if it is a camera, video camera, or gear to collect fish.
Those <br>
>divers should lead as this extra gear puts them at risk. The weakest
diver <br>
>should also always goes first.<br>
<br>
Well, I partially agree with this part, but...If the dive would have been
conducted as a "no shit" team effort, they <b>both </b>would
have monitored <b>each other </b>more closely for problems during
descent, and the rest of the dive, for that matter, and would have been
diving the same gear configuration so they would have been more capable
of useful assistance in the event of a problem. An occasional look
over one's shoulder doesn't cut it, especially when you're both diving
different pieces of crap stroke gear that require you to turn more knobs
and levers than the man behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz.<br>
<br>
To Mike--I'm sorry you lost a friend. BUT, I'm even more sorry that
neither of you saw the writing on the wall early enough to stop this
nonsense. What bothers me even more--and I hope I'm wrong here--is
the fact that you will probably keep on doing the same shit until it
catches up to you.<br>
<br>
<br>
Duane<br>
<br>
</blockquote><br>
"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get
in the water"<br>
<font color="#0000FF"><u>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East
Coast & more <br>
Web Site
<a href="http://www.capt-jt.com/"
eudora="autourl">http://www.capt-jt.com/</a><br>
Email captjt@mi*.co*<br>
<br>
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