During WWII my father was a B-24 bomber pilot with the 829th Squadron of the
485th Bomb Group (H). He flew 51 missions out Venosa, Italy bombing the crap
out of Germany, Romania, Austria and other places.  He flew 6 of the 7
missions the 485th flew to bomb the Ploesti oil fields and was awarded the
Distinguished Flying Cross for leading the 485th BG on a bomb run AFTER
having 2 of his 4 engines taken out by flak.

His wartime activities resulted in considerable "collateral damage".  So
much so that my father and his fellow BG members returned to their civilian
jobs and rarely spoke of their wartime activities for fear that folks back
home would think them evil monsters for having inadvertently killed
"innocent" civilians in their efforts to stop the Nazi war machine. BTW some
of the "innocent civilians" were known to have beaten airmen to death when
they parachuted from their disabled planes.  War is ugly, people die, some
of which didn't deserve to die.

As I recall we did this to Germany because, among other things, their was
some lunatic killing innocent people in large numbers.  Lets see, what are
we looking at 5,000 and rising in under an hour.  That's more than Hitler
ever killed in an hour! War is ugly, people die, some of which don't deserve
to die.

It would appear that the only way to stop the beast of global terrorism is
to eradicate it. It will be ugly, people will die, some of which don't
deserve to die.

I don't take this position lightly.  My only son, age 21, is presently
serving in the US Navy and will be in harms way.

Dave Dalton

Last Stanza of the Star Spangled Banner
(Which most Americans have never heard)

"Oh thus be it e'er when free men shall stand
Between their lov'd homes and war's desolation!
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Pow'r that has made and presrv'd us a nation
And conquer we must when our cause is just
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the Star-Spangled Banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>
To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; "Patrick Duffy" <pduffyca@ea*.ne*>
Cc: "Techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: Lines in the Sand


> My sentiments exactly.  We need to obliterate ALL that is theirs including
> their DNA.  You can't combat people with a medieval feudal mentality using
> 20th century goodie two shoes crap.  What they have done is an
abomination.
>
> Joe Citelli
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patrick Duffy <pduffyca@ea*.ne*>
> To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Cc: Techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Lines in the Sand
>
>
> > Not a surprising article coming out of the liberal Salon Magazine is it?
> > The article is a piece of crap and so is the magazine.
> >
> >     http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/09/12/blowback/index.html
> >
> > Shock and sadness is turning into rage and anger ... and it will build.
> The
> > strong  majority of the American public will demand swift and severe
> > punishment to the scum responsible for this act and any country
harboring
> > those vermin.
> >
> > I suppose someone on the far left might want to reflect on what we have
> done
> > wrong to result in pure hate and action like this, and what we can do to
> > keep it from happening again in the future.
> >
> > All I know is there were a lot of innocent fellow Americans brutally
> killed
> > and  massive damage done (and much more attempted).  Many families and
> > businesses will never be the same.
> >
> > I want pay back and I want it soon.  Once it is done, I want any group
or
> > government that even considers an attack like this again to know that
they
> > and those that support them will pay an incredible price for their
> actions.
> > Our actions will not bring back those that have been lost, but it will
> send
> > a very strong and needed message.
> >
> > Even though terrorism has reached a new height, it has been going on for
> > years.  Many of those countries that supported terrorism are now
> condemning
> > it.  They do so because they know the wrath that is about to take place
> and
> > do not want to be part of it.  These people understand one thing ...
brute
> > force.
> >
> > Instead of asking "How much anger can prompt a group of people to do
> this?",
> > I would have asked, "Who is stupid enough to try this shit and think
they
> > will get away with it?"
> >
> > There is only one way to deal with terrorists and their supporters ...
> take
> > their lives.
> >
> > God Bless America
> >
> > Patrick Duffy
> >
> >
> >
> > Joel Markwell wrote:
> >
> > > On 9/13/01 1:10 PM, "Olaf Trygve Berglihn" <olafb@pv*.or*> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am seriously concerned about the aftermath of the unforgivable
> > > > terrorist acts.  Fighting fire with fire will not stop terrorism or
> > > > bring the dead back.
> > > >
> > > > Related readings:
> > > > http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/09/12/blowback/index.html
> > >
> > > A thoughtful article, thanks for posting it.
> > >
> > > JoeL
> > >
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