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Re: Morons , bullshit and crappy scootersI already answered that as much as
I am willing to in another post. The wait time used to be a long time
because I got covered up with everyone wanting them all at once when I did
not expect it, had to take care of my team and the other teams who use them
first, so I increased the production , ordered larger numbers of motors and
parts, and now the wait is one month for anyone and will soon be even less
as my larger parts orders come through. Now I can get them done quite
quickly and have gotten help with the sub assemblies an so forth. I do all
the critical stuff personally.

The only reason you really need one of these is if the water is deeper than
the Mako is used, or you are going long and are pulling a lot of gear and
wearing a drysuit. I have several Mako's and love them . I keep some in
Mexico to dive there where mine are not needed, and I use them here when I
reef dive.

In the WKPP, the Gavin is standard issue, and its genesis is there. Big deep
wrecks need them as well. When JJ and some of the team did the Britannic (
that TV show should be out soon ), they all used them since the ship is so
long and so deep.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Cam Banks [mailto:cam@ca*.co*]
  Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:32 PM
  To: Trey; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com
  Subject: Re: Morons , bullshit and crappy scooters


  Okay, I'll bite.  Please tell us what is wrong with the Silent Submersion
scooter.  Some friends and I are actively considering pro-level scooter
purchases in the next year or so (Have two crappy Makos already, obviously).

  We have also heard that there is at least a 9-month wait for Gavins, and
that Trey is the sole source for production.

  We also wonder what there is to a scooter, other than a rewound Mako motor
and a cylindrical hull?

  I know the downsides to the Mako: no access to the leaky motor
compartment, oval hull with leaky o-rings, both hands required for good
control, low depth limit (180fsw if you're lucky), difficult to replace
battery quickly with spare, etc.

  All comments welcome.  Thank you.

  Cam


    From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
    Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:12:18 -0400
    To: "Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
    Subject: Morons , bullshit and crappy scooters




    Will the list of morons who said that there was a web link to GUE which
stated that 95's were required for classes please show me the link again.
There is no such. You assholes are really getting to be a pain in the
ass.Why don't you try learning from the pros instead of constantly fucking
with them. None of you pussies dives, none of you pussies has done jack
shit, and I am really sick of the constant crap surrounding GUE and the
WKPP. You morons do what we do, then tell us how it is done.

    The fact is that nobody but IANTD is stupid enough to have divers dive
ocean with steel tanks and a wetsuit, the fact is that aluminum 80's are the
tank of choice for ocean, 104's are the tank of choice for drysuit cave, and
aluminum 80's are the tank for wetsuit cave. Florida is a drysuit cave dive,
Mexico is a wetsuit cave dive.

    None of you morons even understand why we do what we do, and I am sick
of explaining it over and over only to have you screw it up , misinterpret
it, and drivel about it when none of you has the experience to tie my shoes
or JJ's.

    I'll be glad to pick apart anything the rest of the agencies are doing
ad infinitum, and I will show why what we do is right. Any time any of you
want to argue that, I will make you look like the morons that you so
obviously are.

    As for this scooter thread, if anyone wants to know why the silent
submersion ' is a ghastly piece of crap, I'll be glad to explain that as
well.

    None of you has a clue, trust me - not a fucking clue. What you do and
what we do are galaxies apart. Let me quite Lee Iacocca , "Lead, follow , or
get out of the way".

    None of you can lead, and I personally don't want you following me and
screwing is it up, so get out of our way.













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Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
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 Please=20
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o-rings,=20
  both hands required for good control, low depth limit (180fsw if =
you're=20
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etc.<BR><BR>All=20
  comments welcome.  Thank you.<BR><BR>Cam<BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE><BR><B>From: </B>trey@ne*.co*
(Trey)<BR><B>Date: =
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    Aug 2001 21:12:18 -0400<BR><B>To: </B>"Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com"=20
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was a=20
    web link to GUE which stated that 95's were required for classes =
please show=20
    me the link again. There is no such. You assholes are really getting =
to be a=20
    pain in the ass.Why don't you try learning from the pros instead of=20
    constantly fucking with them. None of you pussies dives, none of you =
pussies=20
    has done jack shit, and I am really sick of the constant crap =
surrounding=20
    GUE and the WKPP. You morons do what we do, then tell us how it is=20
    done.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT size=3D2>The fact is that nobody but
=
IANTD is=20
    stupid enough to have divers dive ocean with steel tanks and a =
wetsuit, the=20
    fact is that aluminum 80's are the tank of choice for ocean, 104's =
are the=20
    tank of choice for drysuit cave, and aluminum 80's are the tank for =
wetsuit=20
    cave. Florida is a drysuit cave dive, Mexico is a wetsuit cave =
dive.</FONT>=20
    <BR><BR><FONT size=3D2>None of you morons even understand why we
do =
what we=20
    do, and I am sick of explaining it over and over only to have you =
screw it=20
    up , misinterpret it, and drivel about it when none of you has the=20
    experience to tie my shoes or JJ's.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT =
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    to pick apart anything the rest of the agencies are doing ad =
infinitum, and=20
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argue that,=20
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are.</FONT>=20
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=
to know why=20
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explain=20
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clue, =
trust me -=20
    not a fucking clue. What you do and what we do are galaxies apart. =
Let me=20
    quite Lee Iacocca , "Lead, follow , or get out of the way".</FONT>=20
    <BR><BR><FONT size=3D2>None of you can lead, and I personally
don't =
want you=20
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