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>I own double 80's and double 104's. The 80's are feather light, and the 104's aren't bad, but I'm in the gym every day. Yes, the gym is the place to work out not at the dive site before during and after the dive. >I dive cold water and need a ton of lead with my 80's. I wear no lead with my 104's (and alum backplate) > Get a SS BP then. >It's also a matter of convenience. I fill my 104's to 3000. Last weekend I did 2 light deco dives in 110'. I got off the boat and did a shore dive with a new diver. He emptied his 80, and I still had gas in my tanks for another shore dive. I couldn't have done this with 80's. Get a compressor or take two sets of doubles. >For anyone who is considering buying 80's or 104's, I leave you with this thought. They both have good and bad characteristics, but if you are planning on GUE training, TECH 1 requires at least twin 95's which makes your twin 80's useless for the course (except as stages) ;-) Thanks, but this is a contradiction in my opinion. Any more excuses? Thanks for the debate..:-) -----Original Message----- From: "Steve Schultz"<se2schul@st*.ma*.uw*.ca*> To: "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*> Cc: "marv"<ajmarve@op*.ne*>, "Jim Cobb"<cobber@ci*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com Date: Tue Aug 28 10:59:06 PDT 2001 Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor > >I own double 80's and double 104's. The 80's are feather light, and the 104's aren't bad, but I'm in the gym every day. > >I dive cold water and need a ton of lead with my 80's. I wear no lead with my 104's (and alum backplate) > >I feel like I have better trim with my 104's than my 80's. It's probably in my head. The 104's feel better on my back (subjective I know). It's easier for gas matching since my buddies also dive 104's (you dive thirds, don't you?) > >It's also a matter of convienience. I fill my 104's to 3000. Last weekend I did 2 light deco dives in 110'. I got off the boat and did a shore dive with a new diver. He emptied his 80, and I still had gas in my tanks for another shore dive. I couldn't have done this with 80's. > >For anyone who is considering buying 80's or 104's, I leave you with this thought. They both have good and bad characteristics, but if you are planning on GUE training, TECH 1 requires at least twin 95's which makes your twin 80's useless for the course (except as stages) ;-) > >ss > >On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, terry michael wrote: > >> Again, I'm losing you here. Could you elaborate on this dive planning stuff and exactly how it works. thanks >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "marv"<ajmarve@op*.ne*> >> To: "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*> >> Cc: "Jim Cobb"<cobber@ci*.co*>, "MHK"<mhkane@pr*.ne*>, "Michael J. Blitch"<mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com >> Date: Mon Aug 27 23:11:07 PDT 2001 >> Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor >> >> >JIm's thing< and its not just Jim, there is a small group now> is that >> >the only tanks for drysuit is the double 104's. this is despite >> >commentary from George himself that for ocean, you dont need all that >> >gas even in a drysuit and that double 80s should be enuff for most of >> >what one might attempt.< "for ocean the aluminum 80 is the tank of >> >choice"> The rationale seems to be taught by most of your tek agencies >> >that you can never have enuff gas because "you never know what is going >> >to happen" and people find this more comforting to embrace than the fact >> >that they need to exercise aerobically for diving. >> > >> >Personally i would suggest that you plan your dive and dive your plan, >> >altering the plan only in the direction of being conservative during a >> >dive. < i.e. less bottom time>. I would also suggest that if your going >> >to carry a major reserve of one dive parameter<gas> you should have >> >equvalent supply of any other<scooter/light burn>. >> > >> >Finally i would suggest that anyone who cant understand why huge tanks >> >and a tiny scooter might not be a good idea should reread the last >> >paragraph of Gavin's chapter and look in the mirror. >> > >> >marv >> > >> >ps i wear dbl 80s, drive a mako and set the treadmill on speed 8 at >> >least once a day. >> > >> > >> > >> >terry michael wrote: >> > >> >> Are we talking about diving thirds here or what? This is a public list please explain what you are trying to tell us. >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: "marv"<ajmarve@op*.ne*> >> >> To: "Jim Cobb"<cobber@ci*.co*> >> >> Cc: "MHK"<mhkane@pr*.ne*>, "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*>, "Michael J. Blitch"<mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com >> >> Date: Mon Aug 27 10:37:44 PDT 2001 >> >> Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor >> >> >> >>> so what are you saying Jim, that you dont plan your dives or dont have >> >>> the discipline to follow that plan ? >> >>> >> >>> you are on the right track with respect to less is best, you just need >> >>> to take it all the way. >> >>> >> >>> marv >> >>> >> >>> Jim Cobb wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Gas=Life. Is that real enough for you? >> >>>> >> >>>> Jim >> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ >> >>>> >> >>>>> From: marv <ajmarve@op*.ne*> >> >>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:11:57 -0400 >> >>>>> To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> >> >>>>> Cc: MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*>, terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*>, "Michael J. >> >>>>> Blitch" <mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com >> >>>>> Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor >> >>>>> >> >>>>> and yet you doggedly defend the concept of carrying three times as much >> >>>>> gas as needed for a given dive< see any old dbl 80 vs 104 thread.> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Marv >> >>>>> <keepin' it real, yo> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Jim Cobb wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> I would still like something smaller, don't see the point in carrying 2 >> >>>>>> hours worth of burn time on a dive were your actual scooting time is around >> >>>>>> 20 minutes. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> >>>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________ >> >> GO.com Mail >> >> Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> ___________________________________________________ >> GO.com Mail >> Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com >> >> >> -- >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> > ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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