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>Also I don't understand what your harping about AL80's all about. If you >dive with a wetsuit 80's are fine. If you dive with a drysuit the negative >aspects of steel doubles help your buoyancy. The steel 104's happen to be >ideal for this purpose. Jim, try the 80's you might be suprised. If you need the extra gas put it in a stage. This should cover 99% of the dives you do. You save the big guns for when you need them in my opinion. >Thirdly I believe in diving the same rig on every dive regardless of the >depth. I agree but common sense tells me that I can do this regardless of the gas/cylinder requirements or logistics. -----Original Message----- From: "Jim Cobb"<cobber@ci*.co*> To: "marv"<ajmarve@op*.ne*>, "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*> Cc: "MHK"<mhkane@pr*.ne*>, "Michael J. Blitch"<mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com Date: Tue Aug 28 01:48:59 PDT 2001 Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor >Marv- > >First off I am not a cave diver. Second, you did not seem to get my point >that for wreck diving I consider your air supply to be a tad bit more >important than scooter battery life. In wreck diving you are given the >opportunity to change batteries which you don't have in a cave. You are >comparing apples to oranges. > >Thirdly I believe in diving the same rig on every dive regardless of the >depth. I don't see the point in wearing different tanks suit the particular >depths. This is BS. > >Also I don't understand what your harping about AL80's all about. If you >dive with a wetsuit 80's are fine. If you dive with a drysuit the negative >aspects of steel doubles help your buoyancy. The steel 104's happen to be >ideal for this purpose. > >I would like you to please repost where I said that double 80's were >inferior to steel 104 because they don't carry enough gas. What I may have >said is that having more gas than you need for a specific dive is not a >detriment to the dive. > >So please take your weird, ill thought out, disjointed, nonsenceical, out of >context post here and go back to your treadmill, which happens to go the >same destination as your argument. Nowhere. > > Jim > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ > >> From: marv <ajmarve@op*.ne*> >> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 02:11:07 -0400 >> To: terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*> >> Cc: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>, MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*>, "Michael J. >> Blitch" <mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com >> Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor >> >> JIm's thing< and its not just Jim, there is a small group now> is that >> the only tanks for drysuit is the double 104's. this is despite >> commentary from George himself that for ocean, you dont need all that >> gas even in a drysuit and that double 80s should be enuff for most of >> what one might attempt.< "for ocean the aluminum 80 is the tank of >> choice"> The rationale seems to be taught by most of your tek agencies >> that you can never have enuff gas because "you never know what is going >> to happen" and people find this more comforting to embrace than the fact >> that they need to exercise aerobically for diving. >> >> Personally i would suggest that you plan your dive and dive your plan, >> altering the plan only in the direction of being conservative during a >> dive. < i.e. less bottom time>. I would also suggest that if your going >> to carry a major reserve of one dive parameter<gas> you should have >> equvalent supply of any other<scooter/light burn>. >> >> Finally i would suggest that anyone who cant understand why huge tanks >> and a tiny scooter might not be a good idea should reread the last >> paragraph of Gavin's chapter and look in the mirror. >> >> marv >> >> ps i wear dbl 80s, drive a mako and set the treadmill on speed 8 at >> least once a day. >> >> >> >> terry michael wrote: >> >>> Are we talking about diving thirds here or what? This is a public list please >>> explain what you are trying to tell us. >> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: "marv"<ajmarve@op*.ne*> >>> To: "Jim Cobb"<cobber@ci*.co*> >>> Cc: "MHK"<mhkane@pr*.ne*>, "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*>, "Michael J. >>> Blitch"<mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com >>> Date: Mon Aug 27 10:37:44 PDT 2001 >>> Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor >>> >>>> so what are you saying Jim, that you dont plan your dives or dont have >>>> the discipline to follow that plan ? >>>> >>>> you are on the right track with respect to less is best, you just need >>>> to take it all the way. >>>> >>>> marv >>>> >>>> Jim Cobb wrote: >>>> >>>>> Gas=Life. Is that real enough for you? >>>>> >>>>> Jim >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ >>>>> >>>>>> From: marv <ajmarve@op*.ne*> >>>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:11:57 -0400 >>>>>> To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> >>>>>> Cc: MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*>, terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*>, "Michael J. >>>>>> Blitch" <mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor >>>>>> >>>>>> and yet you doggedly defend the concept of carrying three times as much >>>>>> gas as needed for a given dive< see any old dbl 80 vs 104 thread.> >>>>>> >>>>>> Marv >>>>>> <keepin' it real, yo> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim Cobb wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I would still like something smaller, don't see the point in carrying 2 >>>>>>> hours worth of burn time on a dive were your actual scooting time is >>>>>>> around >>>>>>> 20 minutes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>>>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> ___________________________________________________ >>> GO.com Mail >>> Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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