Thanks, Terry but I think I will stick with my 104's. I really don't like
weight belts.

   Jim
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> From: terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*>
> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 06:44:13 -0700 (PDT)
> To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>, marv <ajmarve@op*.ne*>
> Cc: MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*>, "Michael J. Blitch" <mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>,
> techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Subject: Re: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor
> 
>> Also I don't understand what your harping about AL80's all about. If you
>> dive with a wetsuit 80's are fine. If you dive with a drysuit the negative
>> aspects of steel doubles help your buoyancy. The steel 104's happen to be
>> ideal for this purpose.
> 
> Jim, try the 80's you might be suprised. If you need the extra gas put it in a
> stage. This should cover 99% of the dives you do. You save the big guns for
> when you need them in my opinion.
> 
>> Thirdly I believe in diving the same rig on every dive regardless of the
>> depth. 
> 
> I agree but common sense tells me that I can do this regardless of the
> gas/cylinder requirements or logistics.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Jim Cobb"<cobber@ci*.co*>
> To: "marv"<ajmarve@op*.ne*>, "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*>
> Cc: "MHK"<mhkane@pr*.ne*>, "Michael J. Blitch"<mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>,
> techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Date: Tue Aug 28 01:48:59 PDT 2001
> Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor
> 
>> Marv-
>> 
>> First off I am not a cave diver. Second, you did not seem to get my point
>> that for wreck diving I consider your air supply to be a tad bit more
>> important than scooter battery life. In wreck diving you are given the
>> opportunity to change batteries which you don't have in a cave. You are
>> comparing apples to oranges.
>> 
>> Thirdly I believe in diving the same rig on every dive regardless of the
>> depth. I don't see the point in wearing different tanks suit the particular
>> depths. This is BS.
>> 
>> Also I don't understand what your harping about AL80's all about. If you
>> dive with a wetsuit 80's are fine. If you dive with a drysuit the negative
>> aspects of steel doubles help your buoyancy. The steel 104's happen to be
>> ideal for this purpose.
>> 
>> I would like you to please repost where I said that double 80's were
>> inferior to steel 104 because they don't carry enough gas. What I may have
>> said is that having more gas than you need for a specific dive is not a
>> detriment to the dive.
>> 
>> So please take your weird, ill thought out, disjointed, nonsenceical, out of
>> context post here and go back to your treadmill, which happens to go the
>> same destination as your argument. Nowhere.
>> 
>> Jim
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>>> From: marv <ajmarve@op*.ne*>
>>> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 02:11:07 -0400
>>> To: terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*>
>>> Cc: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>, MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*>, "Michael J.
>>> Blitch" <mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
>>> Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor
>>> 
>>> JIm's thing< and its not just Jim, there is a small group now> is that
>>> the only tanks for drysuit is the double 104's. this is despite
>>> commentary from George himself that for ocean, you dont need all that
>>> gas even in a drysuit and that double 80s should be enuff for most of
>>> what one might attempt.< "for ocean the aluminum 80 is the tank of
>>> choice">  The rationale seems to be  taught by most of your tek agencies
>>> that you can never have enuff gas because "you never know what is going
>>> to happen" and people find this more comforting to embrace than the fact
>>> that they need to exercise aerobically for diving.
>>> 
>>> Personally i would suggest that you plan your dive and dive your plan,
>>> altering the plan only in the direction of being conservative during a
>>> dive. < i.e. less bottom time>. I would also suggest that if your going
>>> to carry a major reserve of one dive parameter<gas> you should have
>>> equvalent supply of any other<scooter/light burn>.
>>> 
>>> Finally i would suggest that anyone who cant understand why huge tanks
>>> and a tiny scooter might not be a good idea should reread the last
>>> paragraph of Gavin's chapter and look in the mirror.
>>> 
>>> marv
>>> 
>>> ps i wear dbl 80s, drive a mako and set the treadmill on speed 8 at
>>> least once a day.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> terry michael wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Are we talking about diving thirds here or what? This is a public list
>>>> please
>>>> explain what you are trying to tell us.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: "marv"<ajmarve@op*.ne*>
>>>> To: "Jim Cobb"<cobber@ci*.co*>
>>>> Cc: "MHK"<mhkane@pr*.ne*>, "terry michael"<OEA51@go*.co*>, "Michael
J.
>>>> Blitch"<mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
>>>> Date: Mon Aug 27 10:37:44 PDT 2001
>>>> Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor
>>>> 
>>>>> so what are you saying Jim, that you dont plan your dives or dont have
>>>>> the discipline to follow that plan ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> you are on the right track with respect to less is best, you just need
>>>>> to take it all the way.
>>>>> 
>>>>> marv
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jim Cobb wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gas=Life. Is that real enough for you?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jim
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>>>>>>> From: marv <ajmarve@op*.ne*>
>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:11:57 -0400
>>>>>>> To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
>>>>>>> Cc: MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*>, terry michael <OEA51@go*.co*>, "Michael
J.
>>>>>>> Blitch" <mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Silent Submersion Vs Dacor
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> and yet you doggedly defend the concept of carrying three times as much
>>>>>>> gas as needed for a given dive< see any old dbl 80 vs 104 thread.>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Marv
>>>>>>> <keepin' it real, yo>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jim Cobb wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I would still like something smaller, don't see the point in carrying 2
>>>>>>>> hours worth of burn time on a dive were your actual scooting time is
>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>> 20 minutes.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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