Yes, and Darwin proved me worthy is spite of all the bullshit I took up from
reading rec.scuba crap.

I did not make the real transition to tech diving (not simulated tech diving
or wannabe tech diving) until I found techdiver and had George kick my ass
on numerous occasions. I learned the hard way, that's for sure.

I also learned to shutup and lurk for a long time on techdiver before
pontificating on shit I knew nothing of, a staple of rec.scuba and other
bogus forums.

   Jim
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> From: "Jim Holcomb" <jimholcomb@x-*.co*>
> Reply-To: "Jim Holcomb" <jimholcomb@x-*.co*>
> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:41:09 -0400
> To: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>, "Jack Farmer"
> <jack@ma*.th*.co*>
> Cc: "Techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Subject: Re: Word of advice, Jack
> 
> Jim
> Were you a recreational diver before you were a technical diver? I was.
> Jim Holcomb
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>
> To: "Jack Farmer" <jack@ma*.th*.co*>; "Jim Holcomb"
> <jimholcomb@x-*.co*>
> Cc: "Techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Word of advice, Jack
> 
> 
>> What is this rec.scuba crap doing on Techdiver to begin with? Those idiots
>> over on rec.scuba are beyond all salvation. Hardcore rec divers live in an
>> alternate reality, they cannot relate to tech diving anymore than a mole
> can
>> relate to walking on the moon.
>> 
>> That entire list and the idiots who hang out over there are not worth the
>> electricity it takes to run a computer.
>> 
>> The only thing we can do is let Darwin decide who can progress to
> technical
>> diving. We will be waiting for them over here in Techdiver if and when
> they
>> survive. Then maybe we can teach them something.
>> 
>> Jim
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>>> From: Jack Farmer <jack@ma*.th*.co*>
>>> Organization: The Crusader BBS
>>> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 06:27:12 -0700
>>> To: Jim Holcomb <jimholcomb@x-*.co*>
>>> Cc: Techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Word of advice, Jack
>>> 
>>> And why NOT call a spade a spade? And why SHOULD Bullshit be ALLOWED in
> the
>>> first place?
>>> Re-read what i wrote it's ALL explained in there IF you READ.
>>> 
>>> L8R
>>> 
>>> Jim Holcomb wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Why do you NEED to call a spade a spade.  Why do you NEED to wade into
> the
>>>> bullshit.  Look Jack, the DIR philosophy can stand on its own merits
> without
>>>> a bunch of bullshit.  You aren't going to convert the opponents by
> arguing
>>>> with them - but by explaining specific issues in a rational tone the
> word
>>>> will be out there for the others to read. Here is an example, several
> days
>>>> ago on one of the recreational forums someone was asking something
> about
>>>> rigging a pony.  This was my response:
>>>> http://www.scubadiving.com/talk/read.php?f=1&i=330635&t=330567
>>>> Not once did I even mention DIR - not once did I say the dude was an
> idiot
>>>> for contemplating his idea.  As the thread unfolded the two individuals
>>>> began to rethink their idea.  That's all you can do.  Say what you got
> to
>>>> say and move on to the next topic or question.  Don't involve yourself
> in
>>>> the bullshit.
>>>> Jim
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jack Farmer" <jack@ma*.th*.co*>
>>>> To: "Jim Holcomb" <jimholcomb@x-*.co*>; "Andrew Georgitsis"
>>>> <andrewg@fi*.co*>; "anthony rue" <true@gu*.co*>; "Chris Werner"
>>>> <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*>; "Dan Volker" <dan@sf*.co*>; "Jarrod
>>>> Jablonski" <JJ@gu*.co*>; "John Walker" <techdive@ea*.ne*>; "MHK"
>>>> <mhkane@pr*.ne*>; "Michael Hobson" <mhobson@pa*.ne*>; "pina"
>>>> <pina3@be*.ne*>; "Sally Hooper" <sallyhpr@ea*.ne*>;
> "tleemay"
>>>> <tleemay@ne*.ne*>; "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*>
>>>> Cc: "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*>; "Techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:02 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Word of advice, Jack
>>>> 
>>>>> Well here at least we are in partial agreement. YES DIR will grow from
> the
>>>> rec
>>>>> divers somewhat interested in Tech side of things. Right now over
> there
>>>> with
>>>>> gray etc on the loose anyone even asks a question about DIR gets
> swamped
>>>> with
>>>>> bullshit and maybe you don't remember what it's like at that level BUT
> new
>>>>> divers ARE impressed by NAMES attacking esp when no NAMES are in
> there.
>>>> BUT ya
>>>>> get a few guy's who call a spade a spade and are NOT afraid to wade in
>>>> SHIT and
>>>>> are willing to go tooth and nail even when they are NOT qualified that
>>>> says to
>>>>> the new guy hey there SOMETHING there maybe it's shit maybe it's NOT
> but
>>>> it is
>>>>> SURE as hell getting people all fired up maybe I'll go check it out
> for
>>>> myself.
>>>>> 
>>>>> THESE are the LURKERS who will hardly ever post. I've gotten many a
>>>> PRIVATE
>>>>> message thanking me for at least presenting a different side and being
>>>> REAL
>>>>> about it in a real way. They've told me they went on to the GUE ot
> WKPP
>>>> site to
>>>>> see for them selves.
>>>>> 
>>>>> These are the ones I'm talking to NOT rec.scuba know it all bull shit
>>>> artists
>>>>> like gray etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am I the best there is? HELL NO. I'm just in there trying. WHY? Well
> as
>>>> you
>>>>> point out I'm NOT a TECH diver I'm NOT a NAME BUT I do know enough
> from my
>>>> own
>>>>> experience to know JUST how NEEDED DIR is esp for the NEW guy like me
> and
>>>> many
>>>>> others.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The main reason I'm CC'ing in so many is that I'd like THEIR opinion
> not
>>>> just
>>>>> yours or a few others.
>>>>> 
>>>>> L8R
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jim Holcomb wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, IMHO the DIR movement is going to grow through recreational
> divers
>>>>>> with an interest in technical diving.  Most of those who are already
>>>> cave
>>>>>> diving / wreck diving ect..  beyond recreational limits are already
>>>> doing it
>>>>>> their way.  Be it DIR or whatever.  Where the advocates of DIR can
> have
>>>> a
>>>>>> profound effect is with these recreational divers.  The exposure they
>>>> are
>>>>>> currently getting in technical discussions consist of Gray on one
> side
>>>> and
>>>>>> Farmer "articulating" the DIR philosophy.  That's kinda fucked up -
>>>> don't ya
>>>>>> think? The first exposure some of these folks have to DIR is out of
>>>> Farmer's
>>>>>> mouth!  As I've told Dan, I will address anything I PERSONALLY know
>>>> about
>>>>>> through my OWN limited experience - but what a lot of these various
>>>> forums
>>>>>> need are experienced DIR advocates who can articulate a message to
> the
>>>>>> uninformed without pissing all over their foreheads. THAT is where
> the
>>>>>> change will take place - NOT after someone has already bought $10,000
>>>> worth
>>>>>> of dive shop to clip off to themselves.  Get them before they take
> the
>>>> first
>>>>>> Cavern class OR, better yet, get them before they take their Advanced
>>>> O/W
>>>>>> class.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*>
>>>>>> To: "Dan Volker" <dan@sf*.co*>; "Jack Farmer"
>>>>>> <jack@ma*.th*.co*>; "Jim Holcomb"
> <jimholcomb@x-*.co*>;
>>>>>> "Andrew Georgitsis" <andrewg@fi*.co*>; "anthony rue"
> <true@gu*.co*>;
>>>>>> "Chris Werner" <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*>; "Jarrod Jablonski"
>>>>>> <JJ@gu*.co*>; "John Walker" <techdive@ea*.ne*>; "MHK"
>>>>>> <mhkane@pr*.ne*>; "pina" <pina3@be*.ne*>; "tleemay"
>>>>>> <tleemay@ne*.ne*>
>>>>>> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:03 PM
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Word of advice, Jack
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dan, we can't post there because we can not go into enough
> background
>>>> info
>>>>>>> to get these people to where they can understand what we are talking
>>>>>> about.
>>>>>>> They know you and you know how to deal with them. I can not be
> talking
>>>> a
>>>>>>> serious talk and have a piece of shit like Mike Gray yapping at me.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Just break is down to two components: bullshit and diving. Tell Gray
>>>> and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> other morons to skip the bullshit and discuss the diving. They can
> not
>>>> do
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> intelligently, so they should be no problem.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Dan Volker [mailto:dan@sf*.co*]
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 5:33 PM
>>>>>>> To: Jack Farmer; Jim Holcomb; Andrew Georgitsis; anthony rue; Chris
>>>>>>> Werner; Jarrod Jablonski; John Walker; MHK; pina; tleemay; Trey
>>>>>>> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Word of advice, Jack
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> REc.scuba has a couple of anti- DIR people with huge amounts of time
>>>> on
>>>>>>> their hands, and an axe to grind against any DIR idea or person.
> Mike
>>>> Gray
>>>>>>> is one, Dan Brakuk is another. Gray actually created a "movement" in
>>>> which
>>>>>>> he has been getting recreational divers to "want" to call themselves
>>>>>>> "Strokes", and he calls himself a member of "Team Stroke".
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> While Jack Farmer has made few friends on rec.scuba with his style
> of
>>>>>>> posting, if he has the time, and wants to throw the bullshit flag at
>>>> Mike
>>>>>>> Gray several times per day, that might not be such a bad thing ;-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As long as Jack does not actually "represent" DIR, and as I
> remember,
>>>> he
>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> stated that he does "NOT"  on multiple occaisions, he can be a
>>>> positive
>>>>>>> force--in that he could "tie up" an extremely negative force ( Mike
>>>> Gray).
>>>>>>> To this end, I'd tell Jack to "go get'em ".
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Better still, a few GUE or WKPP trained divers could post more on
>>>>>> rec.scuba
>>>>>>> , and occaisionally get a WKPP or GUE endorsement  ( George or
> Jarrod)
>>>> for
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> controversial position which is being argued in one of the longer
>>>> threads.
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Dan Volker
>>>>>>> www.sfdj.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: jack@we*.th*.co*
>>>> [mailto:jack@we*.th*.co*]On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Jack Farmer
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 4:45 PM
>>>>>>> To: Jim Holcomb; Andrew Georgitsis; anthony rue; Chris Werner; Dan
>>>>>>> Volker; Jarrod Jablonski; John Walker; MHK; pina; tleemay; Trey
>>>>>>> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Word of advice, Jack
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> OK Jim #1 I'm in NO WAY trying to be a cheer leader for anyone.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If that's the impression you got it's WRONG.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> #2. I'm NOT nor ever WAS trying to sell anything to anyone and
> stated
>>>> MANY
>>>>>>> times I spoke ONLY for myself and my own experiences and opinions.
>>>> When
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> there twist that to mean what they want it to then argue about what
>>>> THEY
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> I MEANT rather that what i plainly SAID I could care less what THEIR
>>>>>> opinion
>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> #3. It's been my experience from lurking on rec.scuba for several
>>>> years
>>>>>>> BEFORE
>>>>>>> I ever posted anything that there are a few figure heads in there
> who
>>>> make
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> that cliché and THEY run rec.scuba the rest follow along. Mike Gray,
>>>>>> PopEye
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> name 2 of the more obvious ones. Then there is a guy names ZACK whom
> I
>>>>>>> forced
>>>>>>> over several days to admit publicly there he's lied about a
> statement
>>>> he's
>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>> about something Trey was supposed to have done that i called him a
>>>> liar
>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> These are the guy's I'm out to deal with NOT CONVINCE OR CONVERT
> just
>>>> show
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> for what they are.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Frankly George can speak for himself and does not need me OR you to
>>>> speak
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> him I don't and never tried to. if he wants me to shut up HE'll be
> the
>>>> one
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> tell me and until he does I'll assume he could care less and do what
> i
>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>> like like the rest of us do.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dive Safe.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> L8R
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jim Holcomb wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I know we have already discussed this once, but let's try again.
>>>> The
>>>>>>> REASON
>>>>>>>> why some people seem to carry more influence on rec.scuba than they
>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>> is because there are some (with no personal technical experience)
>>>> that
>>>>>>>> insist on trying to be a cheerleader for George and his team.  When
>>>> your
>>>>>>>> general diving population reads some of these folks posts and later
>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>> that they have no personal experience in the area they are trying
> to
>>>>>> speak
>>>>>>>> it adds credibility to those who have some technical experience but
>>>>>> insist
>>>>>>>> on doing it wrong.  The folks on rec.scuba are rec divers.  They
>>>> will
>>>>>>> listen
>>>>>>>> to the person who seems to have the most experience on a particular
>>>>>>>> subject - right or wrong. On the flip side - when folks lacking
>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>> in a particular arena attempt selling of a philosophy it results in
>>>> the
>>>>>>> rest
>>>>>>>> of us being called DIR fanatics, mindless drones, George wannabes,
>>>> WKPP
>>>>>>>> wannabes and the list goes on.
>>>>>>>> With George and his team's list of accomplishments, they are quite
>>>>>> capable
>>>>>>>> of spreading the word and educating the recreational diving
>>>> population,
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> general, and the technical diving population, specifically.
>>>>>>>> So as a favor to me and many other inexperienced cave and wreck
>>>> divers
>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> have adopted the DIR philosophy toward our
>>>>>>> diving..........Please......Shut
>>>>>>>> up!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Jack Farmer" <jack@ma*.th*.co*>
>>>>>>>> To: "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*>; "Sally Hooper"
>>>> <sallyhpr@ea*.ne*>
>>>>>>>> Cc: "Marie" <scubagirl@di*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:18 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: DCS incident
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ya know Trey over in rec.scuba HE would be considered to be a
>>>> supreme
>>>>>>>> authority
>>>>>>>>> on Tech diving.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Man it just keeps going on and on and on and on etc.......
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I finally REALLY understand why you seem at times short tempered.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> hahaha
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Safe Diving.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> L8R
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Trey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Marie, you are a complete moron. I run the most successful dive
>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> diving and have LONG AGO sought out and used the real resources
>>>> in
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> game
>>>>>>>>>> that have allowed us to do what we do so successfully, and have
>>>>>>>> accumulated
>>>>>>>>>> a track record that you will never understand, as well as
>>>> developed
>>>>>>>>>> decompression techniques that are now recognized as the correct
>>>> way
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>> this, and have nothing to do with the slop out of DAN , PADI or
>>>>>> Navy.
>>>>>>>> Why
>>>>>>>>>> don't you find out who and what we are before you get on here
>>>> like
>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> idiot
>>>>>>>>>> and start recommending that we all go re read our PADI tables.
>>>>>> Should
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> stay three squares from a black box, Marie, or is the good "doc"
>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>> trying to figure that one out?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Notice that the original question addressed me, not you, and the
>>>>>>> correct
>>>>>>>>>> answer was given. This is not rec scuba, by the way. If you
>>>> think
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>>> "bullshit" is "profanity", then maybe you should stop
>>>> bullshitting.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I'll start sending everyone to you , PADI and DAN when they ask
>>>> me a
>>>>>>>> deco
>>>>>>>>>> question. Your vast experience reading "Alert Diver" will be a
>>>> big
>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> them all, I am sure.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Marie [mailto:scubagirl@di*.co*]
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 11:03 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com; trey@ne*.co*
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: DCS incident
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Well Trey,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Here are some tips for you:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Look before you leap.
>>>>>>>>>> 2)  That looks like a pretty nasty case of hoof in mouth.
>>>>>>>>>> 3)  It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth
>>>> and
>>>>>>> remove
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> doubt.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> All I was trying to do was help you guys out, but you obviously
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>> care
>>>>>>>>>> to know the truth.  If you were interested in expanding your
>>>>>>> knowledge,
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> would have looked into what I said before you open your mouth
>>>> and
>>>>>>> spewed
>>>>>>>>>> profanity (obviously the only way you know how to communicate).
>>>> Try
>>>>>>>>>> checking with DAN or PADI or try reading any one of the over 100
>>>>>>>> studies,
>>>>>>>>>> articles, and papers he has had published. Or contact the
>>>> Undersea
>>>>>>>> Medical
>>>>>>>>>> Society about the many presentations he has given or
>>>> participated
>>>>>> in,
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> contact the Undersea Hyperbaric Medical Society and find out why
>>>> Dr.
>>>>>>>> Powell
>>>>>>>>>> is a high respected member.  Or you could contact NEDU (Navy
>>>>>>>> Experimental
>>>>>>>>>> Dive Unit).
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> For any of the rest of you who may be interested in expanding
>>>> your
>>>>>>>> knowledge
>>>>>>>>>> of DCS with more than just Trey's hot air, feel free to follow
>>>> up on
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the resources I have mentioned.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Marie
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> trey@ne*.co* wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. My favorite line here is "during which time he
>>>> directed
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> human-subject tests of the DSAT/PADI Recreational Dive
>>>> Planner."
>>>>>>>>>>> This give
>>>>>>>>>>> new meaning to the term "face the wheel".
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The fact is that the guys who know the most about this are the
>>>>>>>>>>> ones who work
>>>>>>>>>>> with sources who actually are involved in serious diving . If
>>>>>>>>>>> this guy had
>>>>>>>>>>> any contribution to make to this game, we'd know about it.
>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>>> he has is
>>>>>>>>>>> the party line that does not work and is why we see these
>>>>>>>>>>> accidents. Wake up
>>>>>>>>>>> and smell reality.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The Navy comment is also just too funny.
>>>>>>>>>> 
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