Jim,
I'd rather think after he blew all the fuses on the E-meter,
and other clear episodes, he could fly anyway, so why bother 'bout
diving ?
Lacking leadership makes his restless inventory soul now wander, by
chance he has found tech-diver.
Matthias



Jim Holcomb schrieb:
> 
> Jim
> Were you a recreational diver before you were a technical diver? I was.
> Jim Holcomb
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>
> To: "Jack Farmer" <jack@ma*.th*.co*>; "Jim Holcomb"
> <jimholcomb@x-*.co*>
> Cc: "Techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Word of advice, Jack
> 
> > What is this rec.scuba crap doing on Techdiver to begin with? Those idiots
> > over on rec.scuba are beyond all salvation. Hardcore rec divers live in an
> > alternate reality, they cannot relate to tech diving anymore than a mole
> can
> > relate to walking on the moon.
> >
> > That entire list and the idiots who hang out over there are not worth the
> > electricity it takes to run a computer.
> >
> > The only thing we can do is let Darwin decide who can progress to
> technical
> > diving. We will be waiting for them over here in Techdiver if and when
> they
> > survive. Then maybe we can teach them something.
> >
> >   Jim
> >  -------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >
> > > From: Jack Farmer <jack@ma*.th*.co*>
> > > Organization: The Crusader BBS
> > > Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 06:27:12 -0700
> > > To: Jim Holcomb <jimholcomb@x-*.co*>
> > > Cc: Techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Word of advice, Jack
> > >
> > > And why NOT call a spade a spade? And why SHOULD Bullshit be ALLOWED in
> the
> > > first place?
> > > Re-read what i wrote it's ALL explained in there IF you READ.
> > >
> > > L8R
> > >
> > > Jim Holcomb wrote:
> > >
> > >> Why do you NEED to call a spade a spade.  Why do you NEED to wade into
> the
> > >> bullshit.  Look Jack, the DIR philosophy can stand on its own merits
> without
> > >> a bunch of bullshit.  You aren't going to convert the opponents by
> arguing
> > >> with them - but by explaining specific issues in a rational tone the
> word
> > >> will be out there for the others to read. Here is an example, several
> days
> > >> ago on one of the recreational forums someone was asking something
> about
> > >> rigging a pony.  This was my response:
> > >> http://www.scubadiving.com/talk/read.php?f=1&i=330635&t=330567
> > >> Not once did I even mention DIR - not once did I say the dude was an
> idiot
> > >> for contemplating his idea.  As the thread unfolded the two individuals
> > >> began to rethink their idea.  That's all you can do.  Say what you got
> to
> > >> say and move on to the next topic or question.  Don't involve yourself
> in
> > >> the bullshit.
> > >> Jim
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Jack Farmer" <jack@ma*.th*.co*>
> > >> To: "Jim Holcomb" <jimholcomb@x-*.co*>; "Andrew Georgitsis"
> > >> <andrewg@fi*.co*>; "anthony rue" <true@gu*.co*>; "Chris Werner"
> > >> <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*>; "Dan Volker" <dan@sf*.co*>; "Jarrod
> > >> Jablonski" <JJ@gu*.co*>; "John Walker" <techdive@ea*.ne*>; "MHK"
> > >> <mhkane@pr*.ne*>; "Michael Hobson" <mhobson@pa*.ne*>; "pina"
> > >> <pina3@be*.ne*>; "Sally Hooper" <sallyhpr@ea*.ne*>;
> "tleemay"
> > >> <tleemay@ne*.ne*>; "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*>
> > >> Cc: "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*>; "Techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:02 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: Word of advice, Jack
> > >>
> > >>> Well here at least we are in partial agreement. YES DIR will grow from
> the
> > >> rec
> > >>> divers somewhat interested in Tech side of things. Right now over
> there
> > >> with
> > >>> gray etc on the loose anyone even asks a question about DIR gets
> swamped
> > >> with
> > >>> bullshit and maybe you don't remember what it's like at that level BUT
> new
> > >>> divers ARE impressed by NAMES attacking esp when no NAMES are in
> there.
> > >> BUT ya
> > >>> get a few guy's who call a spade a spade and are NOT afraid to wade in
> > >> SHIT and
> > >>> are willing to go tooth and nail even when they are NOT qualified that
> > >> says to
> > >>> the new guy hey there SOMETHING there maybe it's shit maybe it's NOT
> but
> > >> it is
> > >>> SURE as hell getting people all fired up maybe I'll go check it out
> for
> > >> myself.
> > >>>
> > >>> THESE are the LURKERS who will hardly ever post. I've gotten many a
> > >> PRIVATE
> > >>> message thanking me for at least presenting a different side and being
> > >> REAL
> > >>> about it in a real way. They've told me they went on to the GUE ot
> WKPP
> > >> site to
> > >>> see for them selves.
> > >>>
> > >>> These are the ones I'm talking to NOT rec.scuba know it all bull shit
> > >> artists
> > >>> like gray etc.
> > >>>
> > >>> Am I the best there is? HELL NO. I'm just in there trying. WHY? Well
> as
> > >> you
> > >>> point out I'm NOT a TECH diver I'm NOT a NAME BUT I do know enough
> from my
> > >> own
> > >>> experience to know JUST how NEEDED DIR is esp for the NEW guy like me
> and
> > >> many
> > >>> others.
> > >>>
> > >>> The main reason I'm CC'ing in so many is that I'd like THEIR opinion
> not
> > >> just
> > >>> yours or a few others.
> > >>>
> > >>> L8R
> > >>>
> > >>> Jim Holcomb wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Well, IMHO the DIR movement is going to grow through recreational
> divers
> > >>>> with an interest in technical diving.  Most of those who are already
> > >> cave
> > >>>> diving / wreck diving ect..  beyond recreational limits are already
> > >> doing it
> > >>>> their way.  Be it DIR or whatever.  Where the advocates of DIR can
> have
> > >> a
> > >>>> profound effect is with these recreational divers.  The exposure they
> > >> are
> > >>>> currently getting in technical discussions consist of Gray on one
> side
> > >> and
> > >>>> Farmer "articulating" the DIR philosophy.  That's kinda fucked up -
> > >> don't ya
> > >>>> think? The first exposure some of these folks have to DIR is out of
> > >> Farmer's
> > >>>> mouth!  As I've told Dan, I will address anything I PERSONALLY know
> > >> about
> > >>>> through my OWN limited experience - but what a lot of these various
> > >> forums
> > >>>> need are experienced DIR advocates who can articulate a message to
> the
> > >>>> uninformed without pissing all over their foreheads. THAT is where
> the
> > >>>> change will take place - NOT after someone has already bought $10,000
> > >> worth
> > >>>> of dive shop to clip off to themselves.  Get them before they take
> the
> > >> first
> > >>>> Cavern class OR, better yet, get them before they take their Advanced
> > >> O/W
> > >>>> class.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Jim
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*>
> > >>>> To: "Dan Volker" <dan@sf*.co*>; "Jack Farmer"
> > >>>> <jack@ma*.th*.co*>; "Jim Holcomb"
> <jimholcomb@x-*.co*>;
> > >>>> "Andrew Georgitsis" <andrewg@fi*.co*>; "anthony rue"
> <true@gu*.co*>;
> > >>>> "Chris Werner" <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*>; "Jarrod Jablonski"
> > >>>> <JJ@gu*.co*>; "John Walker" <techdive@ea*.ne*>; "MHK"
> > >>>> <mhkane@pr*.ne*>; "pina" <pina3@be*.ne*>; "tleemay"
> > >>>> <tleemay@ne*.ne*>
> > >>>> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > >>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:03 PM
> > >>>> Subject: RE: Word of advice, Jack
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Dan, we can't post there because we can not go into enough
> background
> > >> info
> > >>>>> to get these people to where they can understand what we are talking
> > >>>> about.
> > >>>>> They know you and you know how to deal with them. I can not be
> talking
> > >> a
> > >>>>> serious talk and have a piece of shit like Mike Gray yapping at me.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Just break is down to two components: bullshit and diving. Tell Gray
> > >> and
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>> other morons to skip the bullshit and discuss the diving. They can
> not
> > >> do
> > >>>> it
> > >>>>> intelligently, so they should be no problem.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: Dan Volker [mailto:dan@sf*.co*]
> > >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 5:33 PM
> > >>>>> To: Jack Farmer; Jim Holcomb; Andrew Georgitsis; anthony rue; Chris
> > >>>>> Werner; Jarrod Jablonski; John Walker; MHK; pina; tleemay; Trey
> > >>>>> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > >>>>> Subject: RE: Word of advice, Jack
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> REc.scuba has a couple of anti- DIR people with huge amounts of time
> > >> on
> > >>>>> their hands, and an axe to grind against any DIR idea or person.
> Mike
> > >> Gray
> > >>>>> is one, Dan Brakuk is another. Gray actually created a "movement" in
> > >> which
> > >>>>> he has been getting recreational divers to "want" to call themselves
> > >>>>> "Strokes", and he calls himself a member of "Team Stroke".
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> While Jack Farmer has made few friends on rec.scuba with his style
> of
> > >>>>> posting, if he has the time, and wants to throw the bullshit flag at
> > >> Mike
> > >>>>> Gray several times per day, that might not be such a bad thing ;-)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> As long as Jack does not actually "represent" DIR, and as I
> remember,
> > >> he
> > >>>> has
> > >>>>> stated that he does "NOT"  on multiple occaisions, he can be a
> > >> positive
> > >>>>> force--in that he could "tie up" an extremely negative force ( Mike
> > >> Gray).
> > >>>>> To this end, I'd tell Jack to "go get'em ".
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Better still, a few GUE or WKPP trained divers could post more on
> > >>>> rec.scuba
> > >>>>> , and occaisionally get a WKPP or GUE endorsement  ( George or
> Jarrod)
> > >> for
> > >>>> a
> > >>>>> controversial position which is being argued in one of the longer
> > >> threads.
> > >>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>> Dan Volker
> > >>>>> www.sfdj.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: jack@we*.th*.co*
> > >> [mailto:jack@we*.th*.co*]On
> > >>>>> Behalf Of Jack Farmer
> > >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 4:45 PM
> > >>>>> To: Jim Holcomb; Andrew Georgitsis; anthony rue; Chris Werner; Dan
> > >>>>> Volker; Jarrod Jablonski; John Walker; MHK; pina; tleemay; Trey
> > >>>>> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: Word of advice, Jack
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> OK Jim #1 I'm in NO WAY trying to be a cheer leader for anyone.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If that's the impression you got it's WRONG.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> #2. I'm NOT nor ever WAS trying to sell anything to anyone and
> stated
> > >> MANY
> > >>>>> times I spoke ONLY for myself and my own experiences and opinions.
> > >> When
> > >>>>> people
> > >>>>> there twist that to mean what they want it to then argue about what
> > >> THEY
> > >>>>> think
> > >>>>> I MEANT rather that what i plainly SAID I could care less what THEIR
> > >>>> opinion
> > >>>>> is.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> #3. It's been my experience from lurking on rec.scuba for several
> > >> years
> > >>>>> BEFORE
> > >>>>> I ever posted anything that there are a few figure heads in there
> who
> > >> make
> > >>>>> up
> > >>>>> that cliché and THEY run rec.scuba the rest follow along. Mike Gray,
> > >>>> PopEye
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>>> name 2 of the more obvious ones. Then there is a guy names ZACK whom
> I
> > >>>>> forced
> > >>>>> over several days to admit publicly there he's lied about a
> statement
> > >> he's
> > >>>>> made
> > >>>>> about something Trey was supposed to have done that i called him a
> > >> liar
> > >>>> on.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> These are the guy's I'm out to deal with NOT CONVINCE OR CONVERT
> just
> > >> show
> > >>>>> up
> > >>>>> for what they are.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Frankly George can speak for himself and does not need me OR you to
> > >> speak
> > >>>>> for
> > >>>>> him I don't and never tried to. if he wants me to shut up HE'll be
> the
> > >> one
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>>> tell me and until he does I'll assume he could care less and do what
> i
> > >>>> feel
> > >>>>> like like the rest of us do.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Dive Safe.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> L8R
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Jim Holcomb wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> I know we have already discussed this once, but let's try again.
> > >> The
> > >>>>> REASON
> > >>>>>> why some people seem to carry more influence on rec.scuba than they
> > >>>> should
> > >>>>>> is because there are some (with no personal technical experience)
> > >> that
> > >>>>>> insist on trying to be a cheerleader for George and his team.  When
> > >> your
> > >>>>>> general diving population reads some of these folks posts and later
> > >>>> learn
> > >>>>>> that they have no personal experience in the area they are trying
> to
> > >>>> speak
> > >>>>>> it adds credibility to those who have some technical experience but
> > >>>> insist
> > >>>>>> on doing it wrong.  The folks on rec.scuba are rec divers.  They
> > >> will
> > >>>>> listen
> > >>>>>> to the person who seems to have the most experience on a particular
> > >>>>>> subject - right or wrong. On the flip side - when folks lacking
> > >>>> experience
> > >>>>>> in a particular arena attempt selling of a philosophy it results in
> > >> the
> > >>>>> rest
> > >>>>>> of us being called DIR fanatics, mindless drones, George wannabes,
> > >> WKPP
> > >>>>>> wannabes and the list goes on.
> > >>>>>> With George and his team's list of accomplishments, they are quite
> > >>>> capable
> > >>>>>> of spreading the word and educating the recreational diving
> > >> population,
> > >>>> in
> > >>>>>> general, and the technical diving population, specifically.
> > >>>>>> So as a favor to me and many other inexperienced cave and wreck
> > >> divers
> > >>>> who
> > >>>>>> have adopted the DIR philosophy toward our
> > >>>>> diving..........Please......Shut
> > >>>>>> up!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Jim
> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>> From: "Jack Farmer" <jack@ma*.th*.co*>
> > >>>>>> To: "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*>; "Sally Hooper"
> > >> <sallyhpr@ea*.ne*>
> > >>>>>> Cc: "Marie" <scubagirl@di*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:18 AM
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: DCS incident
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Ya know Trey over in rec.scuba HE would be considered to be a
> > >> supreme
> > >>>>>> authority
> > >>>>>>> on Tech diving.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Man it just keeps going on and on and on and on etc.......
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I finally REALLY understand why you seem at times short tempered.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> hahaha
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Safe Diving.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> L8R
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Trey wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Marie, you are a complete moron. I run the most successful dive
> > >>>>> project
> > >>>>>> in
> > >>>>>>>> diving and have LONG AGO sought out and used the real resources
> > >> in
> > >>>>> this
> > >>>>>> game
> > >>>>>>>> that have allowed us to do what we do so successfully, and have
> > >>>>>> accumulated
> > >>>>>>>> a track record that you will never understand, as well as
> > >> developed
> > >>>>>>>> decompression techniques that are now recognized as the correct
> > >> way
> > >>>> to
> > >>>>>> do
> > >>>>>>>> this, and have nothing to do with the slop out of DAN , PADI or
> > >>>> Navy.
> > >>>>>> Why
> > >>>>>>>> don't you find out who and what we are before you get on here
> > >> like
> > >>>> an
> > >>>>>> idiot
> > >>>>>>>> and start recommending that we all go re read our PADI tables.
> > >>>> Should
> > >>>>> we
> > >>>>>>>> stay three squares from a black box, Marie, or is the good "doc"
> > >>>> still
> > >>>>>>>> trying to figure that one out?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Notice that the original question addressed me, not you, and the
> > >>>>> correct
> > >>>>>>>> answer was given. This is not rec scuba, by the way. If you
> > >> think
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>>> word
> > >>>>>>>> "bullshit" is "profanity", then maybe you should stop
> > >> bullshitting.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I'll start sending everyone to you , PADI and DAN when they ask
> > >> me a
> > >>>>>> deco
> > >>>>>>>> question. Your vast experience reading "Alert Diver" will be a
> > >> big
> > >>>>> help
> > >>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>> them all, I am sure.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>>> From: Marie [mailto:scubagirl@di*.co*]
> > >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 11:03 PM
> > >>>>>>>> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com; trey@ne*.co*
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: DCS incident
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Well Trey,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Here are some tips for you:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> 1)  Look before you leap.
> > >>>>>>>> 2)  That looks like a pretty nasty case of hoof in mouth.
> > >>>>>>>> 3)  It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth
> > >> and
> > >>>>> remove
> > >>>>>> all
> > >>>>>>>> doubt.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> All I was trying to do was help you guys out, but you obviously
> > >>>> don't
> > >>>>>> care
> > >>>>>>>> to know the truth.  If you were interested in expanding your
> > >>>>> knowledge,
> > >>>>>> you
> > >>>>>>>> would have looked into what I said before you open your mouth
> > >> and
> > >>>>> spewed
> > >>>>>>>> profanity (obviously the only way you know how to communicate).
> > >> Try
> > >>>>>>>> checking with DAN or PADI or try reading any one of the over 100
> > >>>>>> studies,
> > >>>>>>>> articles, and papers he has had published. Or contact the
> > >> Undersea
> > >>>>>> Medical
> > >>>>>>>> Society about the many presentations he has given or
> > >> participated
> > >>>> in,
> > >>>>> or
> > >>>>>>>> contact the Undersea Hyperbaric Medical Society and find out why
> > >> Dr.
> > >>>>>> Powell
> > >>>>>>>> is a high respected member.  Or you could contact NEDU (Navy
> > >>>>>> Experimental
> > >>>>>>>> Dive Unit).
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> For any of the rest of you who may be interested in expanding
> > >> your
> > >>>>>> knowledge
> > >>>>>>>> of DCS with more than just Trey's hot air, feel free to follow
> > >> up on
> > >>>>> any
> > >>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>>> the resources I have mentioned.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Marie
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> trey@ne*.co* wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> Bullshit. My favorite line here is "during which time he
> > >> directed
> > >>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>> human-subject tests of the DSAT/PADI Recreational Dive
> > >> Planner."
> > >>>>>>>>> This give
> > >>>>>>>>> new meaning to the term "face the wheel".
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> The fact is that the guys who know the most about this are the
> > >>>>>>>>> ones who work
> > >>>>>>>>> with sources who actually are involved in serious diving . If
> > >>>>>>>>> this guy had
> > >>>>>>>>> any contribution to make to this game, we'd know about it.
> > >> What
> > >>>>>>>>> he has is
> > >>>>>>>>> the party line that does not work and is why we see these
> > >>>>>>>>> accidents. Wake up
> > >>>>>>>>> and smell reality.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> The Navy comment is also just too funny.
> > >>>>>>>>
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