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> Mathias, I see you are back to the misinformation game again. Trey, you do not get it. >The > "undeserved hit" is the excuse DAN uses for covering up the PFO issue. There > is no way anyone gets this without a shunt or bouncing after a dive. FACT. You miss here the lung defect ( cyste ) I mentioned. There are at least 2 cases I know of which are well documented. Otherwise I completely agree with you,only the adverb "undeserved", when used in combination with DCS hits, has since long changed its meaning from "not understood" to signifying the the same ( and miniscule more) cuases you mentioned. Really no need to fill in here. It is self understood. At least this side of the pond. And even with DAN people , trust me. > The rest of what you wrote is complete bullshit. Which part specificly, and why ? regards Matthias > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthias Voss [mailto:mat.voss@t-*.de*] > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:48 AM > Cc: Trey; techdiver@aquanaut.com; sstraat1@ta*.rr*.co* > Subject: Re: DCS incident > > Steve, > I am sorry to be this late in replying. > > It is most probably an " undeserved" hit, Trey mentioned possible > causes, another cause could be alveolar rupture affecting which can > affect both sides, or a small cyste in the lung breaking. > To fast an accent on breathhold can be excluded? > > When you got someone on the line, be prepared to answer at least the > following questions : > > Chronology of symptoms and everything till arrival at chamber > Medication given and response hereto. > Preconditions ( medication, hydration, sicknesses, heart conditions, > unusual effort in the dive and the 3 days before) > history of past DCS > > There should be made an X-ray of the lungs , or an NMR, to detect a > possible cyste. > > If you haven' already got access to someone giving competent help ( > DCIEM ??) you may try to call the german Navy's facility in Kiel. > Reception desk is +49 (0)431 54090. They will answer " Bundeswehr Kiel", > you may speak english, ask for DR. Ulrich van Laak, indicating a diving > accident ( Tauchunfall, Dekompressions-Unfall ) You may refer to my > name. Or use +49 (0) 431-549-861, Dr. v. Laak. He is fluent in english. > Dr. van Laak is the german DAN chairman as well. > They most possibly have treated a similar case in Kiel. > e-mail: germany@da*.or* > > Other: > > Dr.Roggenbachin +49(0)2 01 50 25 54 or cellphone > +49(0)1 71) 2 10 02 87.( my associations scubadoc) > he was one of the first to describe hits like that (non DCS1 non DCS 2, > resistent to HBO) > > The DAN-Hotline Switzerland ( through REGA, an Heli-AR servive) > +41-1-1414 > > DAN USA Hotline > "DAN Emergency call Prof. Mano" > Tel. +1-9 19-6 84 81 11 > > HTH. > Matthias > > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Trey wrote: > > > > > This poor kid obviously had a gaping ASD or PFO, and > > > took the worst kind of hit. > -----Original Message----- > > > From: SRS [mailto:sstraat1@ta*.rr*.co*] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 4:37 AM > > > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > > > Subject: DCS incident > > > > > > > > > I'd appreciate it if anyone can forward to me info regarding DCS > treatment > > > in the Michigan area - had a friend's nephew (16 years old, fairly > > > experienced) get hit while on a 90 ft./:20 dive in Lake Michigan. Can't > > > walk/urinate after two chamber rides. Who are the experts in that area, > or > > > who else (anywhere) should they consult. Trey, if you see this, whose > the > > > doc. who did the doppler studies on the WKPP guys (U. of MIami?) - the > > > friend of mine lives down there, she could get info from him? Any help > is > > > appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Steve Straatsma > > > > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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