For those preferring a 7,65 mm Walther to a Colt 38, here is some
conversion help.

1 psi = 0.06894757 bar
Conversion factors 
* 6.894757e-02
/ 1.450377e+01

So 170 psi equals 11,72 bar.

Excerpts from english Poseidon Manual on Jetstream:
1. Connect the regulator to the test equipment.
2. Connect the test manometer hose to one of the
low pressure outlets.
3. Open the LP valve (=20 bar).
4. Set the secondary pressure at 10 bar,......
snip

5. Close the LP valve, and open the HP valve
(=200/300 bar). Purge intermittently with the
purge button, check the tightness, and adjust the
pressure to 8.5-9 bar.

For Oceanair:
5. Close the LP valve, and open the HP valve
(=200/300 bar). Purge intermittently with the
purge button, check the tightness, and adjust the
pressure to 8.5-9 bar.

For Triton
5. Close the LP valve, and open the HP valve
(=200/3OObar). Purge intermittently with the
purge button, check the tightness, and adjust the
pressure to 8,5-9 bar.

Cyklon 300, technical data:
Secondary pressure ...Max. 181 PSI / 12.5 bar

So even more than you indicated.

Excerpts from german manual:
IPs Cyclon     300/ 5000old/ 5000new : 12/  12/  11 bar
IPs Jetstream  300/ 5000old/ 5000new : 10.5/10.5/9 bar
IP Triton       ././  ./.  /  ./.    :           9 bar

You were advocating detuning regs to a lower IP permanently.
I do not know of a reg where this would be easier than with a Poseidon
first stage.
However, this may affect performance.

I may do some flow tests next time I'm on my test bench, with different
IPs.

Matthias

Trey schrieb:
> 
> The reg is a piece of shit, and only a complete moron would use something
> that required 170 psi intermediate pressure. What is it you guys just don't
> get about thinking it through and finding real solutions? Why is it none of
> you can get the most basic and simple understanding of anything , yet can
> muster up endless arguments about why bullshit is a great idea.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David E. Smith [mailto:dsmith218@ho*.co*]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 7:32 PM
> To: Matthias Voss; Manos Manoli
> Cc: Ed Street; rfuller@te*.ne*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Subject: RE: This is inspiration diving and people are supposed to die
> 
> You don't need tools to reach the 2nd stage diaphragm on the Cyklon 500
> if you remove the retaining ring (which is not truly necessary anyway) and
> leave it removed prior to diving.  Although, I think most people using
> Poseidon regs are diving the Jetstreem/Odin.  And you certainly DO need
> tools for that IF you were to disassemble.
> 
> David E. Smith
> 
> dsmith218@ho*.co*
> ICQ# 25409809
> 
> Moderation is for the poor, and the healthy...of which I am neither. -
> Polver
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthias Voss [mailto:mat.voss@t-*.de*]
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:14 PM
> To: Manos Manoli
> Cc: Ed Street; rfuller@te*.ne*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Subject: Re: This is inspiration diving and people are supposed to die
> 
> Manos,
> while most of your observations are correct, you may have missed some of
> the good reasons why to choose which gear.
> 
> The operational flaw of the poseidon regs is that you cannot reach the
> 2nd stage membrane without tools.
> This is an issue when you have to deposit and leave bottles at sites
> where silt and dirt entering the reg can create a problem, really not
> that much , if at all, on  a single dive to a wreck.
> A likely flaw of the poseidon jetstream is offbleeding when supply
> pressure drops below , say 40 bar. should not be a problem unles you
> call for it.
> 
> Same goes for the clipping. No silt, dirt, corrosion( hopefully), no
> clipping to vital parts which won't come off under stress, probably no
> problem . I agree it should be a direktive to be able to  loosen any
> connection made with means on hand durng the dive, though.
> 
> For the stages, do you know the manufacturer, and their bouancy
> properties ? For sure ?
> There are pretty light steel bottles around here.
> Matthias
> 
> Manos Manoli schrieb:
> >
> > My GOD look at this guys ,  to be a stroke or no to be !!!
> > Inspiration rebreathers , Steel stages on each side , OMS type wings ,
> > Poseidon's regulators, handheld Lights ,  Hardware clips , Carbines , you
> name
> > it !!
> > On their doubles BIIG stickers  T R I M I X.  Boodies on stages !! No
> markings
> > on stages !!!!! And they claim records and people have them as reference
> !!!.
> >
> > >>Besides the worlds record deepest cold water dive<<
> > What is this b#%#t ....
> >
> > Christmas time is getting close anyway !!!!!
> >
> > Manos Manoli
> > www.smiley.cy.net/cytech
> >
> > For those idiots that didnt get it yet
> >
> > Ed Street wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > LOL! words of wisdom.  Tho when I dive in 50°F + water I don't use a
> hood.
> > > If it's cold enough for me to wear a hood it's to cold for me to dive!
> ;)  I
> > > didn't notice the no hood thing nor did I get the water temp.
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rob Fuller [mailto:rfuller@te*.ne*]
> > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 1:07 AM
> > > To: 'Ed Street'; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > > Subject: RE: This is inspiration diving and people are supposed to die
> > >
> > > Ed,
> > >
> > > I know nothing about the Inspiration units so I'm not going to enter
> that
> > > discussion.
> > >
> > > However, I *do* know something about cold water diving.  Anybody that
> would
> > > dive in cold water, not to mention one that's 170m deep with huge
> > > decompression obligations, without wearing a hood is brain-dead.
> > >
> > > Since the only bareheaded person in the pics was the one with the
> > > Inspiration unit there might be something to this :-)
> > >
> > > --Rob
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ed Street [mailto:blacknet@ph*.ne*]
> > > Sent: 8.Jul.2001 8:15 AM
> > > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > > Subject: RE: This is inspiration diving and people are supposed to die
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Someone wanna tell me why alot of ppl here doesn't like the inspiration
> > > units?  From what  I've seen on them and the people i've talked to who
> uses
> > > that unit they good units.  The only negativity i've seen was from this
> > > list.
> > >
> > > Besides the worlds record deepest cold water dive to the HMS Dasher
> aircraft
> > > carrier included an inspiration on the dive team, but they didn't use
> DIR
> > > (Died In Recompression) so I don't expect anyone here to understand it.
> For
> > > those of you with open minds here's the link to the memorial service
> they
> > > conducted http://www.technicaldivers.com/hms_dasher.html
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
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