No, they all lie.  Look at our dives - 6 hours at 300 with 8 deco - 14 hours
on a weekend. I don't log rebreather time and stopped logging cave dives
other than on our websites, but how many of the IANTD bullshit weenie dives
does it take to come up with 500 hours? More than the total time Wienberg
has owned one, if that tells you anything. These guys are all full of shit
and are all motivated by some penis envy and money. They think the
rebreather is more "technical" and some "higher order" badge, they chase
down anyone they can to take rebreather courses, and they think depth means
something important, and they all say they have significantly more dives and
dive time than they actually do, and the obvious fact is that if what I am
saying were not true, there would be more people doing real dives and a hell
of a lot less accidents.

----- Original Message -----
From: "terry michael" <OEA51@go*.co*>
To: <Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*>; <mat.voss@t-*.de*>
Cc: <George-Irvine@em*.ne*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Tom


> Hard to figure but I think this sort of clusterf*ck happens all the time
just happens that someone got killed. No plan no clue and no competent
buddy. Can you imagine 500 hours on a rebreather what do they do sit on the
bottom just to clock time?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*
> To: mat.voss@t-*.de*
> Cc: George-Irvine@em*.ne*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Date: Mon Jul 02 06:25:35 PDT 2001
> Subject: Re: Tom's online diagnosis
>
> >No Argument there!  Couldn't agree more.
> >
> >Art.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >From: mat.voss@t-*.de* [mailto:mat.voss@t-*.de*]
> >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:32 AM
> >To: Paltz, Art
> >Cc: George-Irvine@em*.ne*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >Subject: Re: Tom's online diagnosis
> >
> >Art,
> >no matter where, when, or to whom you leave your buddy.
> >
> >Your buddY's place is right next to you, in the dive, in an emergency ,
> >in the 911 car, in the hospital.
> >Not only to guaranty transfer of data, to help reconvalescent measures,
> >but as well, and sometimes more important, to  guaranty the compliance
> >to standard treatment procedures.
> >
> >That means, as a competent buddy, you have to know the problems of the
> >dive, the possible outcome of problems, the emergency procedures, and !
> >the way of dealing with non compliant rescue staff, be it a call to your
> >attorney, or brute force ( imagine your buddy held in an ICU, when he
> >needs HBO treatment.
> >
> >Matthias
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