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Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 13:39:34 -0700
To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
From: "Gabriel R. DiSarro" <listbot-incoming@ho*.co*>
Subject: Re: DIR setup
Wow.  With evaluation skills like this, you wonder why Ed hasn't just 
solved world hunger by thinking about it 'awhile'.

- gabe

At 10:09 PM 7/3/2001 , Ed Street wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I've been looking at the DIR setup for awhile now and I have came to the
>conclusion that it's not a good setup and to me it seems like a very
>dangerous layout for several reasons.
>
>a) it goes against the majority of diving standards known today.  Like how
>many total training facilities in the U.S. (yea I'm in the u.s. and don't
>give a flip about non-us stuff here) teaches this concept vs. the total
>number of facilities that teaches other theories?
>
>b) A lot of the 'experts' seems to rant and rave on those who doesn't follow
>them for what seems, to me, like bad business practices.  It's like someone
>who has a different idea or theory is instantly
>hounded/harassed/insulted/belittled/etc.. for having their own thoughts or
>ideas about things.  One way of looking at this is evolution didn't just
>happen, it was a slow gradual step by step and update by update over a long
>period of time.  What changes/update/revisions has the DIR system undergone?
>
>c) Most dive outfits doesn't support the dir layout.  Why is this?  Is it
>because that it's not that good?  Is it because that there's to many people
>turns up DEAD?  Is it because of the above and below statements?  From
>talking to many shops about it and a lot of divers about this subject I
>gather that if your looking for machoism, egotistical and the like then DIR
>is for you.  Scuba equipment is just that, equipment.  It's a tool someone
>uses to achieve a desired means.  You don't use a screw driver to turn a
>lug-nut.  So why should I use the DIR setup in all cases?  My theory is it's
>just ONE of the many tools out there that can be used but isn't useful in
>some cases.  If the non-DIR equipment is really that bad then why are they
>still being produced?  Why are they no regulations to remove the bad crap
>and put the good crap in place?  I seem to recall this being done with some
>tanks recently.
>
>D) Isn't one of the rules to not dive with non-DIR divers?  It's like if you
>don't follow some rigid standards then your instantly a 'stroke'?  So what
>about all these people who die while diving the DIR setup?  Does that mean
>since they never surfaced they are a 'stroke'?  It's like the standards are
>so high that it's very very difficult for anyone to maintain at all times
>but yet expect everyone to maintain them at all times.  This makes no sense.
>Human nature dictates that humans are not perfect and makes mistakes all the
>time.  The higher the standards the more mistakes will be made.  Sadly when
>these mistakes ARE made it cost the person their life.  Now in the
>recreational community when these mistakes are made alot of the time the
>person will survive (depending on a lot of things) This leads to another
>thing.  If you can't dive w/ non-DIR divers and there few and far between in
>some areas (like my area) then how the fuck are you expected to do the buddy
>system? Or are you expected to do solo and turn your odds up even more of
>not coming up alive?
>
>E)  I've talked to some divers who felt that the DIR setup was just totally
>wrong for them, their person and their lifestyles.  They felt that it was
>out of place and very hard to adjust to it.  I thought diving was all about
>the comfort layer that the individual person felt.  How is it that we can
>dictate how others must dress and what equipment they must use when it's
>what WE use that counts the most?  An example, if diver A feels that the
>layout they are using is not right gets in the water then they are at a
>higher risk of problems.  Not just equipment problems but physical and more
>importantly psychological. So say everyone uses the dir setup and one person
>in the group doesn't feel right with the layout but they are putting blind
>faith in the layout (I see this a lot) and some problem arises, who do you
>think you can least trust?  Say they kept their mouth shut and you don't
>even know about their view on this, who then can you trust?  If you put your
>trust in them they could end up killing you.  All because people are putting
>peer pressure on non-dir divers to dive the DIR setup, which in my opinion
>is totally WRONG.
>
>F)  It would seem to me, from a business standpoint, that if you wanted an
>idea to flourish then you would cut out all the negativity/hostility that is
>generated towards the non-conforming divers and instead have compassion,
>understanding and in a caring manner educate the public as to why it's a
>'superior' method.  This machoism attitude is depermental to a divers
>health.  There is *NOTHING* under that water that's worth your life and to
>me it would seem that diving with any machoistic setup/equipment/person
>would just endanger my life.  See where this is going?
>
>g) I see a lot of needless deaths cause a lot of people try to imitate what
>some groups are doing like the WKPP and enter areas, like caves, and later
>the morgue is called.  The reason they die is the diver feels that they can
>handle the task, they see the machoism from these groups and one of the
>traditional machoistic viewpoints is "you don't ask for help cause you can
>do it" so they do do it and they die because of it.  My input here is get
>rid of the machoistic front and you'll get alot MORE divers doing your
>style.
>
>You can call me anything you like but that doesn't hide nor stop the fact
>that I flat refuse to dive any form of DIY simply because my standards are
>to high and this method, to me, is nothing but an accident waiting to happen
>to good people.  It tends to lead people astray and promote a psychological
>separation from one's well being and the image that one presents.
>
>Oh and btw, no flames please.  These are my viewpoints and if you do feel
>you need to flame me then that's your egotistical machoistic approach
>feeling threatened.  Also flaming is a sign of non-stable and uncertainty on
>the flamers part.
>
>Ed
>
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