Trey,
I didn't catch on to the DIR system right away either. When I gave it an
honest effort, I couldn't deny the results. I'm not going to argue with it's
opponents, you have that covered, "perfectly". I will do my best to talk
sense to those who want to know. If they want to argue about it, there's an
easy solution. RULE # 1 !!!  Please post a coke alert before further
comments on donations to Jerry's Kids. You crack me up!!!
Kenny P.

----- Original Message -----
From: <trey@ne*.co*>
To: Ken Paramore <kennyp@sn*.co*>; Ed Street
<blacknet@ph*.ne*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 7:27 PM
Subject: RE: DIR setup


> Ken, the guy makes me want to donate money in those Jerry Lewis jars at
7-11
> : I think we are talking IQ in the central Florida cave diver level.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Paramore [mailto:kennyp@sn*.co*]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:16 AM
> To: Ed Street; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Subject: Re: DIR setup
>
>
> Ed,
> Is it easier to train new divers to become familiar with 50 equipment
> configurations or 1? Please prepare for fire! Obviously you haven't spent
> much time or effort trying the DIR system.
> Ken
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ed Street <blacknet@ph*.ne*>
> To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 12:09 AM
> Subject: DIR setup
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I've been looking at the DIR setup for awhile now and I have came to the
> > conclusion that it's not a good setup and to me it seems like a very
> > dangerous layout for several reasons.
> >
> > a) it goes against the majority of diving standards known today.  Like
how
> > many total training facilities in the U.S. (yea I'm in the u.s. and
don't
> > give a flip about non-us stuff here) teaches this concept vs. the total
> > number of facilities that teaches other theories?
> >
> > b) A lot of the 'experts' seems to rant and rave on those who doesn't
> follow
> > them for what seems, to me, like bad business practices.  It's like
> someone
> > who has a different idea or theory is instantly
> > hounded/harassed/insulted/belittled/etc.. for having their own thoughts
or
> > ideas about things.  One way of looking at this is evolution didn't just
> > happen, it was a slow gradual step by step and update by update over a
> long
> > period of time.  What changes/update/revisions has the DIR system
> undergone?
> >
> > c) Most dive outfits doesn't support the dir layout.  Why is this?  Is
it
> > because that it's not that good?  Is it because that there's to many
> people
> > turns up DEAD?  Is it because of the above and below statements?  From
> > talking to many shops about it and a lot of divers about this subject I
> > gather that if your looking for machoism, egotistical and the like then
> DIR
> > is for you.  Scuba equipment is just that, equipment.  It's a tool
someone
> > uses to achieve a desired means.  You don't use a screw driver to turn a
> > lug-nut.  So why should I use the DIR setup in all cases?  My theory is
> it's
> > just ONE of the many tools out there that can be used but isn't useful
in
> > some cases.  If the non-DIR equipment is really that bad then why are
they
> > still being produced?  Why are they no regulations to remove the bad
crap
> > and put the good crap in place?  I seem to recall this being done with
> some
> > tanks recently.
> >
> > D) Isn't one of the rules to not dive with non-DIR divers?  It's like if
> you
> > don't follow some rigid standards then your instantly a 'stroke'?  So
what
> > about all these people who die while diving the DIR setup?  Does that
mean
> > since they never surfaced they are a 'stroke'?  It's like the standards
> are
> > so high that it's very very difficult for anyone to maintain at all
times
> > but yet expect everyone to maintain them at all times.  This makes no
> sense.
> > Human nature dictates that humans are not perfect and makes mistakes all
> the
> > time.  The higher the standards the more mistakes will be made.  Sadly
> when
> > these mistakes ARE made it cost the person their life.  Now in the
> > recreational community when these mistakes are made alot of the time the
> > person will survive (depending on a lot of things) This leads to another
> > thing.  If you can't dive w/ non-DIR divers and there few and far
between
> in
> > some areas (like my area) then how the fuck are you expected to do the
> buddy
> > system? Or are you expected to do solo and turn your odds up even more
of
> > not coming up alive?
> >
> > E)  I've talked to some divers who felt that the DIR setup was just
> totally
> > wrong for them, their person and their lifestyles.  They felt that it
was
> > out of place and very hard to adjust to it.  I thought diving was all
> about
> > the comfort layer that the individual person felt.  How is it that we
can
> > dictate how others must dress and what equipment they must use when it's
> > what WE use that counts the most?  An example, if diver A feels that the
> > layout they are using is not right gets in the water then they are at a
> > higher risk of problems.  Not just equipment problems but physical and
> more
> > importantly psychological. So say everyone uses the dir setup and one
> person
> > in the group doesn't feel right with the layout but they are putting
blind
> > faith in the layout (I see this a lot) and some problem arises, who do
you
> > think you can least trust?  Say they kept their mouth shut and you don't
> > even know about their view on this, who then can you trust?  If you put
> your
> > trust in them they could end up killing you.  All because people are
> putting
> > peer pressure on non-dir divers to dive the DIR setup, which in my
opinion
> > is totally WRONG.
> >
> > F)  It would seem to me, from a business standpoint, that if you wanted
an
> > idea to flourish then you would cut out all the negativity/hostility
that
> is
> > generated towards the non-conforming divers and instead have compassion,
> > understanding and in a caring manner educate the public as to why it's a
> > 'superior' method.  This machoism attitude is depermental to a divers
> > health.  There is *NOTHING* under that water that's worth your life and
to
> > me it would seem that diving with any machoistic setup/equipment/person
> > would just endanger my life.  See where this is going?
> >
> > g) I see a lot of needless deaths cause a lot of people try to imitate
> what
> > some groups are doing like the WKPP and enter areas, like caves, and
later
> > the morgue is called.  The reason they die is the diver feels that they
> can
> > handle the task, they see the machoism from these groups and one of the
> > traditional machoistic viewpoints is "you don't ask for help cause you
can
> > do it" so they do do it and they die because of it.  My input here is
get
> > rid of the machoistic front and you'll get alot MORE divers doing your
> > style.
> >
> > You can call me anything you like but that doesn't hide nor stop the
fact
> > that I flat refuse to dive any form of DIY simply because my standards
are
> > to high and this method, to me, is nothing but an accident waiting to
> happen
> > to good people.  It tends to lead people astray and promote a
> psychological
> > separation from one's well being and the image that one presents.
> >
> > Oh and btw, no flames please.  These are my viewpoints and if you do
feel
> > you need to flame me then that's your egotistical machoistic approach
> > feeling threatened.  Also flaming is a sign of non-stable and
uncertainty
> on
> > the flamers part.
> >
> > Ed
> >
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