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Hi Ed, Comments scattered within. >From: "Ed Street" <blacknet@ph*.ne*> >To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > >Hello, > >I've been looking at the DIR setup for awhile now and I have came to the >conclusion that it's not a good setup and to me it seems like a very >dangerous layout for several reasons. "Good" is a matter of opinion. The dangerous part has my interest. >a) it goes against the majority of diving standards known today. Name one. Like how many total training facilities in the U.S. (yea I'm in the u.s. and don't give a flip about non-us stuff here) teaches this concept vs. the total number of facilities that teaches other theories? Name one other theory taught by any non-military facility. >b) A lot of the 'experts' seems to rant and rave on those who doesn't >follow them for what seems, to me, like bad business practices. It's like >someone who has a different idea or theory is instantly >hounded/harassed/insulted/belittled/etc.. for having their own thoughts or >ideas about things. I don't understand what this has to do with the DIR setup. Do you? > One way of looking at this is evolution didn't just happen, it was a slow >gradual step by step and update by update over a long period of time. What >changes/update/revisions has the DIR system undergone? If you are asking this question, you have done basically no research into the origins of DIR. Ten minutes in the archives or at Jim's site would have cleared this up. You aren't doing very well here. >c) Most dive outfits doesn't support the dir layout. This is because they don't support _any_ layout. > Why is this? They wouldn't be able to sell as much crap if they supported Hogarthian diving. > Is it because that it's not that good? See above. >Is it because that there's to many people turns up DEAD? On the contrary, deaths attributed to DIR divers have involved them deviating from Hogarthian principles. >Is it because of the above and below statements? See above. >From talking to many shops about it and a lot of divers about this subject >I gather that if your looking for machoism, egotistical and the like then >DIR is for you. Actually, netdiving on the tech list is for you if you want those things. If you intend to get in the water, getting organized is a pretty good idea. >Scuba equipment is just that, equipment. It's a tool someone >uses to achieve a desired means. So far, so good. > You don't use a screw driver to turn a lug-nut. So why should I use the >DIR setup in all cases? What part of DIR won't work for you? > My theory is it's just ONE of the many tools out there that can be used >but isn't useful in some cases. Name three. >If the non-DIR equipment is really that bad then why are they >still being produced? profit >Why are they no regulations to remove the bad crap and put the good crap in >place? The same reason cigarettes are sold. It's called "a free country." >I seem to recall this being done with some tanks recently. You recall wrong. I own four of the subject tanks and there is no regulation. >D) Isn't one of the rules to not dive with non-DIR divers? Now we are back to netdiving. >It's like if you don't follow some rigid standards then your instantly a >'stroke'? To some. >So what about all these people who die while diving the DIR setup? Name three. >Does that mean since they never surfaced they are a 'stroke'? See above. >It's like the standards are so high that it's very very difficult for >anyone to maintain at all times but yet expect everyone to maintain them at >all times. Name a standard "very very difficult for anyone to maintain at all times." >This makes no sense. Your first statement that I agree with 100%. >Human nature dictates that humans are not perfect and makes mistakes all >the time. ....like spelling and grammar mistakes, for instance. > The higher the standards the more mistakes will be made. I can't agree with this at all. Please give two examples. >Sadly when these mistakes ARE made it cost the person their life. How will lower standards avoid this? >Now in the recreational community when these mistakes are made alot of the >time the person will survive (depending on a lot of things) Which mistakes are you referring to? >This leads to anotherthing. If you can't dive w/ non-DIR divers and there >few and far between in some areas (like my area) then how the fuck are you >expected to do the buddy >system? Train a buddy. >Or are you expected to do solo and turn your odds up even more of >not coming up alive? See above. >E) I've talked to some divers who felt that the DIR setup was just totally >wrong for them, their person and their lifestyles. They felt that it was >out of place and very hard to adjust to it. These individuals haven't tried the system. >I thought diving was all about the comfort layer that the individual person >felt. No, it is about getting out alive. >How is it that we can dictate how others must dress and what equipment they >must use when it's what WE use that counts the most? What are you talking about? >An example, if diver A feels that the layout they are using is not right >gets in the water then they are at a higher risk of problems. This the reason Hogarthian diving was developed. > Not just equipment problems but physical and more importantly >psychological. See above. >So say everyone uses the dir setup and one person in the group doesn't feel >right with the layout but they are putting blind faith in the layout (I see >this a lot) Where? >and some problem arises, who do you think you can least trust? Why did the divers get in the water without checking out all members of the group? > Say they kept their mouth shut and you don't >even know about their view on this, who then can you trust? I don't dive with people I can't talk to. > If you put your trust in them they could end up killing you. All because >people are putting peer pressure on non-dir divers to dive the DIR setup, >which in my opinion is totally WRONG. Please give an example of this happening. I have no record of it. >F) It would seem to me, from a business standpoint, that if you wanted an >idea to flourish then you would cut out all the negativity/hostility that >is generated towards the non-conforming divers and instead have compassion, >understanding and in a caring manner educate the public as to why it's a >'superior' method. You've done no research on this at all. Put in a little time on the GUE and WKPP sites and then try Jim and JT's sites. > This machoism attitude is depermental to a divers >health. There is *NOTHING* under that water that's worth your life and to >me it would seem that diving with any machoistic setup/equipment/person >would just endanger my life. See where this is going? As a matter of fact, I don't. Do you? >g) I see a lot of needless deaths cause a lot of people try to imitate what >some groups are doing like the WKPP and enter areas, like caves, and later >the morgue is called. The reason they die is the diver feels that they can >handle the task, they see the machoism from these groups and one of the >traditional machoistic viewpoints is "you don't ask for help cause you can >do it" so they do do it and they die because of it. Are these individuals being barred from taking a GUE course? > My input here is get rid of the machoistic front and you'll get alot MORE >divers doing your style. If you'd actually looked in the techdiver archives, you'd have seen where this hasn't worked. >You can call me anything you like but that doesn't hide nor stop the fact >that I flat refuse to dive any form of DIY simply because my standards are >to high and this method, to me, is nothing but an accident waiting to >happen to good people. I don't dive DIY either. It has no standards at all. > It tends to lead people astray and promote a psychological >separation from one's well being and the image that one presents. Screw the image. If I find myself with divers who are afraid of bruising my ego, I leave. >Oh and btw, no flames please. These are my viewpoints and if you do feel >you need to flame me then that's your egotistical machoistic approach >feeling threatened. Also flaming is a sign of non-stable and uncertainty >on the flamers part. Thank you, Dr. Ed. The reality is that you have so poorly researched this subject, you aren't worth a flame. We've been all the way through this and you still haven't identified what parts of DIR don't work for you or what alternative system does work for you. Have a nice day. Don Burke Chesapeake, Virginia _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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