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Never done any tec dive have you Ed? It shows. When you start you will not believe the things you wrote. All of the things you said are erased by lack of experience, and the presents of ignorance (not being mean) you can not learn to dive on the net, when you get in the water you will see. As all who have been taught dir, and its way of thinking, which is the main part of dir diving not the gear. A lot of what you said is totally untrue. Keep looking you will see, keep your mind open, and examine the facts not the emotions. This isn't a sport for the emotional warm fuzzy diver crowed. Paul Komrowski -----Original Message----- From: Ed Street [mailto:blacknet@ph*.ne*] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 12:09 AM To: techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: DIR setup Hello, I've been looking at the DIR setup for awhile now and I have came to the conclusion that it's not a good setup and to me it seems like a very dangerous layout for several reasons. a) it goes against the majority of diving standards known today. Like how many total training facilities in the U.S. (yea I'm in the u.s. and don't give a flip about non-us stuff here) teaches this concept vs. the total number of facilities that teaches other theories? b) A lot of the 'experts' seems to rant and rave on those who doesn't follow them for what seems, to me, like bad business practices. It's like someone who has a different idea or theory is instantly hounded/harassed/insulted/belittled/etc.. for having their own thoughts or ideas about things. One way of looking at this is evolution didn't just happen, it was a slow gradual step by step and update by update over a long period of time. What changes/update/revisions has the DIR system undergone? c) Most dive outfits doesn't support the dir layout. Why is this? Is it because that it's not that good? Is it because that there's to many people turns up DEAD? Is it because of the above and below statements? From talking to many shops about it and a lot of divers about this subject I gather that if your looking for machoism, egotistical and the like then DIR is for you. Scuba equipment is just that, equipment. It's a tool someone uses to achieve a desired means. You don't use a screw driver to turn a lug-nut. So why should I use the DIR setup in all cases? My theory is it's just ONE of the many tools out there that can be used but isn't useful in some cases. If the non-DIR equipment is really that bad then why are they still being produced? Why are they no regulations to remove the bad crap and put the good crap in place? I seem to recall this being done with some tanks recently. D) Isn't one of the rules to not dive with non-DIR divers? It's like if you don't follow some rigid standards then your instantly a 'stroke'? So what about all these people who die while diving the DIR setup? Does that mean since they never surfaced they are a 'stroke'? It's like the standards are so high that it's very very difficult for anyone to maintain at all times but yet expect everyone to maintain them at all times. This makes no sense. Human nature dictates that humans are not perfect and makes mistakes all the time. The higher the standards the more mistakes will be made. Sadly when these mistakes ARE made it cost the person their life. Now in the recreational community when these mistakes are made alot of the time the person will survive (depending on a lot of things) This leads to another thing. If you can't dive w/ non-DIR divers and there few and far between in some areas (like my area) then how the fuck are you expected to do the buddy system? Or are you expected to do solo and turn your odds up even more of not coming up alive? E) I've talked to some divers who felt that the DIR setup was just totally wrong for them, their person and their lifestyles. They felt that it was out of place and very hard to adjust to it. I thought diving was all about the comfort layer that the individual person felt. How is it that we can dictate how others must dress and what equipment they must use when it's what WE use that counts the most? An example, if diver A feels that the layout they are using is not right gets in the water then they are at a higher risk of problems. Not just equipment problems but physical and more importantly psychological. So say everyone uses the dir setup and one person in the group doesn't feel right with the layout but they are putting blind faith in the layout (I see this a lot) and some problem arises, who do you think you can least trust? Say they kept their mouth shut and you don't even know about their view on this, who then can you trust? If you put your trust in them they could end up killing you. All because people are putting peer pressure on non-dir divers to dive the DIR setup, which in my opinion is totally WRONG. F) It would seem to me, from a business standpoint, that if you wanted an idea to flourish then you would cut out all the negativity/hostility that is generated towards the non-conforming divers and instead have compassion, understanding and in a caring manner educate the public as to why it's a 'superior' method. This machoism attitude is depermental to a divers health. There is *NOTHING* under that water that's worth your life and to me it would seem that diving with any machoistic setup/equipment/person would just endanger my life. See where this is going? g) I see a lot of needless deaths cause a lot of people try to imitate what some groups are doing like the WKPP and enter areas, like caves, and later the morgue is called. The reason they die is the diver feels that they can handle the task, they see the machoism from these groups and one of the traditional machoistic viewpoints is "you don't ask for help cause you can do it" so they do do it and they die because of it. My input here is get rid of the machoistic front and you'll get alot MORE divers doing your style. You can call me anything you like but that doesn't hide nor stop the fact that I flat refuse to dive any form of DIY simply because my standards are to high and this method, to me, is nothing but an accident waiting to happen to good people. It tends to lead people astray and promote a psychological separation from one's well being and the image that one presents. Oh and btw, no flames please. These are my viewpoints and if you do feel you need to flame me then that's your egotistical machoistic approach feeling threatened. Also flaming is a sign of non-stable and uncertainty on the flamers part. Ed -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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