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Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 09:13:51 -0400
Subject: Re: What's a diver to do.
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: <Dogtrner1@ao*.co*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
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This is a commonly happens among rec divers, that's why in rec diving you
try to keep the amount of dissolved gasses in your tissues down to a point
where, due to inexperience or poor equipment selection or both, "shooting to
the surface" happens all the time. If you can remember to exhale on the way
up it generally won't cause a problems. You see this happening all the time
on the rec trips around here.

Technical diving is a whole new ballgame. In technical diving you have a
"virtual overhead" which means that if you have a problem you'd better be
prepared to handle it without shooting to the surface, which in many cases
is a death penalty.

With this in mind you equip yourself with the correct gear, learn to work
with this gear until it becomes instinctive and have the ability to keep a
cool head when the situation is less than optimal.

Your question is kind of like "if I were skydiving and my partner's chute
did not open do I follow him to the ground trying to help him". I don't
believe this is taught or even considered in skydiving. The emphasis in on
setting up your equipment correctly and learning it intimately.

In the case in question it appears that either the deceased was hypoxic and
could not think straight or his equipment was all fucked up. That his
partner could not help him means that not only was his gear so fucked up he
could not deal with a simple drysuit problem that his partner has hypoxic as
well or so unfamiliar with the gear they were using she could not figure it
out. Keep in mind this was a shore dive, sitting on the bottom, all the time
in the world (they were using rebreather, right?) One or both of these two
were fated to die long before they even got in the water.

So, what would I do? First I would not dive with a know killer rebreather
like the Buddy Expiration, second I would dive with a partner who knew my
equipment as well as I do so you can deal with the problem on the bottom.
The point is you don't let the situation get to the point that you have to
make decisions like the one you make below, it is not hard to do. I repeat,
it is NOT hard to do.

  Jim
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From: Dogtrner1@ao*.co*
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:33:28 EDT
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: What's a diver to do.


I have yet to see an answer to, and would be curious as to the answer;

What do you do when you are in deco, or have deco, and your buddy suddenly
shoots to the surface?

Do you risk getting bent or embolizing to go after him?

I know what I would do. but would be curious to what you would do.

Karla Clinch 
Dog Training By Karla
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 



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This is a commonly happens among rec divers, that's why in rec diving you t=
ry to keep the amount of dissolved gasses in your tissues down to a point wh=
ere, due to inexperience or poor equipment selection or both, "shooting=
 to the surface" happens all the time. If you can remember to exhale on=
 the way up it generally won't cause a problems. You see this happening all =
the time on the rec trips around here.<BR>
<BR>
Technical diving is a whole new ballgame. In technical diving you have a &q=
uot;virtual overhead" which means that if you have a problem you'd bett=
er be prepared to handle it without shooting to the surface, which in many c=
ases is a death penalty.<BR>
<BR>
With this in mind you equip yourself with the correct gear, learn to work w=
ith this gear until it becomes instinctive and have the ability to keep a co=
ol head when the situation is less than optimal.<BR>
<BR>
Your question is kind of like "if I were skydiving and my partner's ch=
ute did not open do I follow him to the ground trying to help him". I d=
on't believe this is taught or even considered in skydiving. The emphasis in=
 on setting up your equipment correctly and learning it intimately.<BR>
<BR>
In the case in question it appears that either the deceased was hypoxic and=
 could not think straight or his equipment was all fucked up. That his partn=
er could not help him means that not only was his gear so fucked up he could=
 not deal with a simple drysuit problem that his partner has hypoxic as well=
 or so unfamiliar with the gear they were using she could not figure it out.=
 Keep in mind this was a shore dive, sitting on the bottom, all the time in =
the world (they were using rebreather, right?) One or both of these two were=
 fated to die long before they even got in the water.<BR>
<BR>
So, what would I do? First I would not dive with a know killer rebreather l=
ike the Buddy Expiration, second I would dive with a partner who knew my equ=
ipment as well as I do so you can deal with the problem on the bottom. The p=
oint is you don't let the situation get to the point that you have to make d=
ecisions like the one you make below, it is not hard to do. I repeat, it is =
NOT hard to do.<BR>
<BR>
   Jim<BR>
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<B>From: </B>Dogtrner1@ao*.co*<BR>
<B>Date: </B>Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:33:28 EDT<BR>
<B>To: </B>techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR>
<B>Subject: </B>What's a diver to do.<BR>
<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2">I have yet to see an answer to, and would be
cur=
ious as to the answer; <BR>
<BR>
What do you do when you are in deco, or have deco, and your buddy suddenly =
<BR>
shoots to the surface? <BR>
<BR>
Do you risk getting bent or embolizing to go after him? <BR>
<BR>
I know what I would do. but would be curious to what you would do. <BR>
<BR>
Karla Clinch <BR>
Dog Training By Karla <BR>
Ft. Lauderdale, FL</FONT> <BR>
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