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So you are saying you have a special hose that is negitive? -----Original Message----- From: "Bill Hulik"<whulik@ya*.co*> To: Dogtrner1@ao*.co*, mikey@ma*.co* Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com Date: Mon Jun 25 05:17:02 PDT 2001 Subject: Re: Long Hose Stuffing VS Hogarthian(Sp?) >Karla, > >Many of the folks up north stuff. Their reasoning (as you pointed out >is that if it comes unstuffed its because you needed it and if you >needed it then the dive is over, yada yada yada. This is kind of short >sighted and is not the only reason it could come unstuffed. It could >snag and get pulled out. If the bungee loops are too loose it could >just fall out etc. > >One other issue that may have been ommitted is if it is stuffed you are >less likely to do air share drills because then you have to restuff >(and how long will that take underwater) Restowing a 'wrapped' long >hose takes 5 seconds, it takes even less to deploy. > >As far as the hose floating up. Get yourself a good hose that is >slightly negative. My first one was neutral or even a little positive >and I had that problem. I replaced it with the hose sold through EE >and have not had that problem since. > >I also don't have a canister light yet so I have put a pocket on the >waist belt and tuck it under that. With a drysuit the length is >perfect and I get no binding no matter how far I turn my head. >Recently when wearing just a skin I needed to tuck about 3 inches under >the waist belt to take up some slack. Again that worked perfectly. > >Bill >--- Dogtrner1@ao*.co* wrote: >> Mike, >> >> Glad to finally sort of talk to you. Grin. I have seen pictures of >> you in >> the shop, diving off the Tontol >> >> Anyway, here goes. >> << >> The hose shouldn't actually be "around your neck". Instead, it goes >> down from the right post behind the wings, between the light >> canister >> and your right hip, then up along your chest biased toward the left, >> around the back of your neck, then into your mouth. There's nothing >> there to tighten up around your neck.>> >> >> It has only one pass around my neck. Just as you describe---only >> without the >> canister light, using a waist pouch on my bc. For whatever reason, >> it does >> tighten up around the right side of my neck, periodically. >> >> >> >> << 1. The long hose is the one you donate. If you stuff it >> somewhere, >> when an OOA diver needs it, he's going to have to spend critical >> time >> looking for it; if he panics, he's going for the one *all* divers >> always have in the same familiar place, your mouth. Now you're OOA >> too.>> >> >> I still use my long hose, even if stuffing, I have my reg bungied >> around my >> neck. >> >> << 2. If the stuffed hose deploys somehow (a practice drill or it >> snags >> something) your buddy is unlikely to know how to restuff it properly >> and while wearing your gear, it will be difficult for you to restuff >> yourself. If this happens inside a wreck, the ensuing silt-out will >> further complicate things.>> >> >> Good point. >> >> <<3. Ultimately, logic dictates where the noses should be. The >> backup >> short hose should be around your neck on a short bungee. This way, >> it's *always* there. That reg is the one that will save your life >> someday and you shouldn't compromise on having it unconditionally >> always available to you. In order for the regulator you donate to >> be quickly and immediately visible and accessible to your OOA buddy, >> it has to be someplace that *never* changes, that's your mouth. >> Keeping it there allows the OOA diver to find it by just looking at >> you and when you donate it (or have it ripped from your mouth) you >> simply switch to the bungeed one and life goes on. Any other >> arrangement defies logic, IMO.>> >> >> Again, even if you use your long hose, tho stuffed, and have your >> other reg >> bungied? >> >> Not trying to be arguementative, just trying to learn. >> >> I do agree that re-stuffing is a problem. However, it is moot point >> in an >> OOA situation, because your butts should be getting out of the >> water.Right? >> >> >> >> << I see you're in Ft. Lauderdale, as am I. Why don't you check out >> the AUE dive calendar and join us for a few local dives. Watch how >> we rig our gear and see why it works in the water. Ask questions >> and >> get suggestions from us. We dive *all the time* all over Florida >> from easy fun dives on the Hydro Atlantic to demanding very deep >> ocean >> and cave dives and we're very successful at it due in part to the >> way we rig our gear.>> >> >> Once I finish my class, we can talk about it. Right now, I am kinda >> taking a >> break from the deep stuff. >> >> Change of subject: We did the Lorrance about 3 weeks ago, and I have >> >> absolutely no recollection of the dive once I hit 140 on the line. I >> got >> down to that depth, htought "Shit theres a current down here" and >> don't >> remember anything until I switched over to my travel gas at 120, back >> on the >> line. I was with my instructor. He said that I did fine. Checked >> all my >> gauges, motioned to him that I was iffy on being ok when asked, and >> motioned >> that I was ready to go after about 10 minutes. >> But still no memory of the dive. I was on Helium. 21/30. My >> depth on >> that dive was 185. Totally narced out my mind. >> >> Since then we have upped the helium to 35-40, and no problems, but >> that was >> kinda freaky. We did the Renegade the next weekend---went to 198. >> No >> problems, so that should remedy it. >> >> But it's time for a break. I had to call the Hydro and the Clinton >> the other >> day. Ripping currents. I ended up doing the Clinton---sort of, the >> line got >> hung up on the Miller, and I drifted into the wrect to retrieve it. >> That was >> a nice dive. Too bad we don't have any 150ft reefs in this area:) >> >> Anyway, unless something special comes up, I am not doing another >> tech dive >> until probably August. Will do the Miller, or the Guy, but those >> aren't that >> deep. Plus, have done the Miller about 10 times. >> >> I have been with the Brownies guys on the Tonto many times. I think >> that >> they are amazed that I can do a 20 minute dive on the Miller with a >> 120 and >> pony:) And still have 2000psi in the 120 at the end of the dive:) >> We >> womem...See, I have a philosophy. Those with more brain cells need >> less >> oxygen......Only kidding! VBG >> >> Later, >> Karla >> >> >> -- >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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