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From: <Dogtrner1@ao*.co*>
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 18:39:51 EDT
Subject: Re: Long Hose Stuffing VS Hogarthian(Sp?)
To: mikey@ma*.co*
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Mike,

Glad to finally sort of talk to you.  Grin.  I have seen pictures of you in 
the shop, diving off the Tontol

Anyway, here goes.
<< 
 The hose shouldn't actually be "around your neck".  Instead, it goes
 down from the right post behind the wings, between the light canister
 and your right hip, then up along your chest biased toward the left,
 around the back of your neck, then into your mouth.  There's nothing
 there to tighten up around your neck.>>

It has only one pass around my neck.  Just as you describe---only without the 
canister light, using a waist pouch on my bc.  For whatever reason, it does 
tighten up around the right side of my neck, periodically.
  

 
<< 1. The long hose is the one you donate.  If you stuff it somewhere,
 when an OOA diver needs it, he's going to have to spend critical time
 looking for it; if he panics, he's going for the one *all* divers
 always have in the same familiar place, your mouth.  Now you're OOA
 too.>>

I still use my long hose, even if stuffing, I have my reg bungied around my 
neck.
 
<< 2. If the stuffed hose deploys somehow (a practice drill or it snags
 something) your buddy is unlikely to know how to restuff it properly
 and while wearing your gear, it will be difficult for you to restuff
 yourself.  If this happens inside a wreck, the ensuing silt-out will
 further complicate things.>>

Good point.  
 
 <<3. Ultimately, logic dictates where the noses should be.  The backup
 short hose should be around your neck on a short bungee.  This way,
 it's *always* there.  That reg is the one that will save your life
 someday and you shouldn't compromise on having it unconditionally
 always available to you.  In order for the regulator you donate to
 be quickly and immediately visible and accessible to your OOA buddy,
 it has to be someplace that *never* changes, that's your mouth.
 Keeping it there allows the OOA diver to find it by just looking at
 you and when you donate it (or have it ripped from your mouth) you
 simply switch to the bungeed one and life goes on.  Any other
 arrangement defies logic, IMO.>>

Again, even if you use your long hose, tho stuffed, and have your other reg 
bungied?

Not trying to be arguementative, just trying to learn.

I do agree that re-stuffing is a problem.  However, it is moot point in an 
OOA situation, because your butts should be getting out of the water.Right?
  

 
<< I see you're in Ft. Lauderdale, as am I.  Why don't you check out
 the AUE dive calendar and join us for a few local dives.  Watch how
 we rig our gear and see why it works in the water.  Ask questions and
 get suggestions from us.  We dive *all the time* all over Florida
 from easy fun dives on the Hydro Atlantic to demanding very deep ocean
 and cave dives and we're very successful at it due in part to the
 way we rig our gear.>>

Once I finish my class, we can talk about it.  Right now, I am kinda taking a 
break from the deep stuff. 

Change of subject:  We did the Lorrance about 3 weeks ago, and I have 
absolutely no recollection of the dive once I hit 140 on the line.  I got 
down to that depth, htought "Shit theres a current down here" and don't 
remember anything until I switched over to my travel gas at 120, back on the 
line.  I was with my instructor.  He said that I did fine.  Checked all my 
gauges, motioned to him that I was iffy on being ok when asked, and motioned 
that I was ready to go after about 10 minutes.
But still no memory of the dive.  I was on Helium.  21/30.    My depth on 
that dive was 185.  Totally narced out my mind.

Since then we have upped the helium to 35-40, and no problems, but that was 
kinda freaky.    We did the Renegade the next weekend---went to 198.  No 
problems, so that should remedy it.  

But it's time for a break.  I had to call the Hydro and the Clinton the other 
day.  Ripping currents.  I ended up doing the Clinton---sort of, the line got 
hung up on the Miller, and I drifted into the wrect to retrieve it.  That was 
a nice dive.  Too bad we don't have any 150ft reefs in this area:)

Anyway, unless something special comes up, I am not doing another tech dive 
until probably August.  Will do the Miller, or the Guy, but those aren't that 
deep.  Plus, have done the Miller about 10 times.
 
I have been with the Brownies guys on the Tonto many times.  I think that 
they are amazed that I can do a 20 minute dive on the Miller with a 120 and 
pony:)  And still have 2000psi in the 120 at the end of the dive:)  We 
womem...See, I have a philosophy.  Those with more brain cells need less 
oxygen......Only kidding!  VBG

Later,
Karla


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