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On 6/20/01 8:56 PM, "Michael J. Blitch" <mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*> wrote: > Accident analysis > is a vital part. No one is asking for details on the throes of death, > but they do what to know what went wrong. I certainly don't see the > liability of releasing information of a recovery or investigation. In > every airplane crash, the NTSB will not only release the details of > the investigate, but they will also speculate as to anything unknown. > People keep dying form the same mistakes over and over and I can't > figure out why no one is learning a damn thing. Michael, I don't understand the reasoning. I applaud those people in the IUCRR who do the recoveries. It's a thankless job. But why are they sitting on this data? Jeff does a good job doing statistical reports with the data, but the facts, the minutiae, the details that could be instructive to divers remains hidden, the property of that organization. I also don't understand why they think that they "own" that data -- if they do. I think it belongs to all cave and tech divers, not to some elite group that is very stingy in handing its pronouncements down from up above, at least that is my perception. That's not the way. Your example of the NTSB is a good one. They do the investigative work, run the numbers and publish an analysis and, as you say, they also extrapolate likely scenarios even where the facts are incomplete. And they don't just publish this data in some obscure journal, they hold a press conference and publish on their website and elsewhere. The IUCRR has no such huge job here, they report on recoveries they make (or they are supposed to) based on the data collected at the site and any info that comes in. They are certainly not doing investigations on the scale of the NTSB and the exposure is far less, usually involving one or two families and associates, not hundreds of families, the airline, pilot's union, airplane manufacturer and all its hundreds of suppliers. There is just NO excuse for that data not being available to the diving public in a timely manner especially when there are people (I've had a couple of people contact me privately offering help) willing to do the transcription for nothing and follow all of their guidelines for doing so. At my Recovery Class, I was introduced by the director as the person who would be transcribing these reports. Henry even went so far as to say how it would work, who would get the data first and how it would be given to me to create a final, sanitized (no names) report and that would be ultimately be published in some manner. None of it happened. The IUCRR webmaster, who was very helpful and a friend of mine, was prepared to publish the reports and create a database out of my reports for publication on their website. Since no reports were created, no database was possible. How do we get this info out of them? A petition? A lawsuit? What will it take? If any of you think this data should be released, please contact me and contact one of the officers of the IUCRR below and tell them: Director: Henry Nicholson henrynicholson@em*.ms*.co* Training Coordinator: Lamar Hires lamar@di*.co* Webmaster: Robert Laird rlaird@ca*.co* You can find info about the regional coordinators for each state here: http://www.iucrr.org/p_coords.htm Is the Cavers list still up? If it is someone please post this over there. Maybe I should just ignore this, realize that this is the "way we do it" and just accept that, not piss people off, not get angry about it and just go diving. But cave diving has given a lot to me and I think this is important. that data belongs to us. JoeL -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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