OK, the first five do no real diving, participate in nothing but teaching.
The last one is one of the worst examples in diving. Buddy leaving, stroke
rigs ( like long hose on the wrong post ), deep air, etc.

Ostrich ? deep air, teaching a gas course while himself on air, stroke gear,
etc.

Rennaker? Teaches "knowing when to leave your buddy", "who's the most
important diver", stroke gear, no clue about any form of real diving.

None of these guys participate in anything but teaching. None of them do
what we do, none of them can teach what we can teach, which is the real deal
from constant and current experience with real diving .

It is clear that you have been indoctrinated with bullshit, and have failed
to ask any important questions, and as such are in the dark with a bad start
and nowhere to go, like these guys.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Sams [mailto:dsams@al*.co*]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:24 PM
To: Trey; Brad, Jen, and Sam; Techdiver List
Subject: RE: Advice on NACD?


Aloha,

Bird Oestreich
Bill Rennaker
Larry Green
Dustin Clesi
Paul Heinerth

How about an objective evaluation, not name calling.

I also would have recommended Steve Berman, but didn't for obvious
reasons.

Dave

>
>Tom Mouth signed mine and he has never done a single dive in his life that
>even approximates anything I do  - the fact is the course content is
>bullshit and what you need in an instructor is somebody who does real
diving
>, not just instruction.
>
>Go ahead an put your short list on here and I will tell you what is wrong
>with all of them. Try it.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dave Sams [mailto:dsams@al*.co*]
>Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 1:47 PM
>To: Brad, Jen, and Sam; Techdiver List
>Subject: Re: Advice on NACD?
>
>
>Aloha,
>
>NACD or NSS-CDS are good certification agencies (am both), what really
>makes a difference is the instructor -- pick a good one (will recommend
>from the several I know off list). BTW my cave instructor signed JJ's IT
>cards.
>
>Regards,
>
>Dave
>
>>Hello all-
>>I am wanting to learn the right way to do cave dives. This is obviously
>>going to be GUE, but I don't think I am ready for GUE yet, as I have no
>>other cave/cavern training. I have been thinking about doing the NACD
>>courses to help prepare me for the GUE courses, but wanted to get the
>>general concensus as to how well put together the NACD course really is.
>>Thanks in advance for any advice I can get!!
>>
>>Brad
>>
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