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From the tone of your posts is seems like you have already made up your mind to join the DIR bashing crowd. If that is the case then why don't you jump right out and say so. On the outside chance that you really do want a straight answer then let me put it this way. You list several cave instructors, some of which I know to be pretty good, at least two I know to teach nonsense. I do not feel like going through your list to analyze every instructor in detail, but look at the question this way. One wants to take on a hobby that could be potentially fatal if not done safely (pick any hobby, sky diving, rock climbing, cave diving). Now to take up this hobby one has the option to learn from a group that has the strictest standards and best safety record in the business or to check out all the alternative instructors, some of whom can be just as good and many that are not in hopes that the instructor finally chosen is one that is just as good. Seems like an easy choice to me. At 05:23 PM 6/18/01 -1000, you wrote: > > > >Aloha, > >I don't know about that...have watched Bird and Larry Green fail >students. And, as far as I can tell, any cave diving is real diving. >Granted, there are differences between the cave dives you're doing and >the "recreational" cave dives that most of us do on the weekend, but at >the end of the day we've both been feeling our way along in the dark. > >If I may so humbly ask, which agency did you first certify cave with? >Forgive me, but your attitude (and agency affiliation) is showing. > >And just for my information (I missed your explanation) what, exactly, >was the new entry technique you demonstrated last fall at PeacockI? > >Dave > > > >The only thing you need for an NACD course is a checkbook and two days. It > >is a joke. The "instructors" do not themselves do any real diving , > >whereas the GUE guys do, and the majority of them are going to run you > >through bullshit dives as fast as they can so they can get on back to the > >trailer for Miller Time. > > > >The one thing you can get from the NACD is a card, no matter how much of a > >clusterfuck you are, so if you can not pass the walk and chew gum test, go > >to the NACD. If you are a real basket case, go to the CDS. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: pina > > To: Brad, Jen, and Sam > > Cc: Techdiver > > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:29 PM > > Subject: don't be silly....was....RE: Advice on NACD? > > > > > > That is silly. > > > > Here is the link to the GUE Cave 1 course: > > http://www.gue.com/classroom/standards/gue_cave1_student.pdf > > > > You do not need any prior cave/cavern training for this course, and if > >you have had any they will just have to un-train all the bad habits you > >have developed, and straighten the bad gear advice you received from other > >instructors. > > > > Just get the proper training the first time. > > > > --pina > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brad, Jen, and Sam [mailto:bjs539@ho*.co*] > > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 9:13 PM > > To: Techdiver List > > Subject: Advice on NACD? > > > > > > Hello all- > > I am wanting to learn the right way to do cave dives. This is > >obviously going to be GUE, but I don't think I am ready for GUE yet, as I > >have no other cave/cavern training. I have been thinking about doing the > >NACD courses to help prepare me for the GUE courses, but wanted to get the > >general concensus as to how well put together the NACD course really is. > >Thanks in advance for any advice I can get!! > > > > Brad > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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