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From: <ScottBonis@ao*.co*>
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 01:03:00 EDT
Subject: Re: Gadgets and Grandma's car, WAS Re: O2 Sensors on tanks
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Hi Art,

First off, I would appreciate you're addressing me in the correct manner.  
And for your information that's either as Scott or as Dr. Bonis.  Next time 
you try with only a last name, I will not even respond.  Let's have just a 
modicum of respect here.

Next you say << I think the general population of divers may not care
about 
it now, but now that the money machine that is PADI has gotten into tech, 
lots more are

going to care.  Hell, even if they don't care, they should... >>

I'm certainly glad you're here to tell the entire population of divers what 
they "should" be doing.  Talk about conceit!

Next you say << ... Now you are going to have people following computers
and 
the calculated deco schedules.  They'll end up doing 4 dives a day, all 
requiring minor decompression, then they'll get bent... >>

I certainly envy your crystal ball in being able to foresee the future.  But 
from the previous posting, why does having a Nitrox computer predict 
requiring decompression any more than any other computer.  Remember my 
statements, the ones to which you are supposedly responding, talked only 
about sport divers in the recreational realm, not technical diving.  And it's 
amazing how you can foretell that  << ... then they'll get bent ... >>

Next, before you start to criticize PADI for anything, why don't you at least 
try to find out just what the PADI TecRec Deep Diver course includes.  It is 
impossible for me to have a reasonable discussion with you on the subject 
when you don't have even an inkling about the subject on which you are trying 
to pontificate.  What I'm saying is basically put your mind to work before 
putting your mouth (or keyboard) into gear.

Continuing on you say << ... Don't kid yourself into thinking that the 
general population is not going to know anything about decompression theory 
in the next 5-10 years or so.  Look at NITROX!  10 years ago it's voodoo gas 
and now PADI has everyone thinking it's the best thing since sliced bread! >>

Thanks again for predicting the future, it really is impressive.  But even 
today, the average Nitrox diver hasn't the foggiest idea of the basic theory 
behind Nitrox.  He only knows that he can stay down longer if he doesn't go 
too deep, pays a little extra for his gas and uses Nitrox tables or a Nitrox 
computer.  In fact SSI proudly states that NO equations are needed to become 
certified to dive Nitrox.  And BTW, that's no Dalton's law.

Then you say << ... I think the next logical money maker for them is PADI
tech

which has to include decompression and stuff.  They'll do like they did with

NITROX, educate people, and come up with a simple approach and teach/charge

the hell out of it. >>

Personally, I find nothing wrong with this.  PADI will teach and the students 
will pay and learn.  Sounds fine to me.

Next you say << If all they tell them is to go down, don't come up till
your 
computer tells you to and you'll be OK, then they are going to get sued. >>

I need to agree that IF that's all you tell them ...  But I also need to 
repeat my previous statement "It is impossible for me to have a reasonable 
discussion with you on the subject when you don't have even an inkling about 
the subject on which you are trying to pontificate."

And finally you say << I'd go as far as to say that with 10 years you'll
have 
PADI

teaching Trimix below 130 foot! >>

Boy, there goes that crystal ball again.

I've taken the time to answer your posting because I believe it was so far 
off base that we're not even playing in the same ball park.  PADI is a huge 
organization that has done more for the sport of SCUBA diving than you can 
possibly imagine.  Yes, it has it's faults, but it has lots of strengths 
also.  Yes, it makes money for it's instructors by their teaching courses and 
I for one think that that's really good.  You OTOH, seem to think that's bad. 
 Yes, it has lots of courses and I think that that's good.  You OTOH, think 
that's bad.  Yes, it makes it's courses extremely simple and easy to 
understand and I think that that's good.  You OTOH, think that's bad.  Yes, 
it's great at marketing and I think that that's good.  You OTOH, think that 
that's bad.

I think you need to get a life.  You may want to do technical diving, get 
taught by your buddy for free and tell the rest of the world how they should 
think and how they should dive.  But l'll let you in on something.  In a 
battle between you and the rest of the world, the winning bet is going to be 
on the world.

Take care and dive safe,       Scott

Some weeks it's just not worth the effort to gnaw through the restraints and 
scramble up out of the pit.




In a message dated 6/13/01 8:42:49 PM, Art.Paltz@R2*.CO* writes:
<< Bonis,


I think the general population of divers may not care about it now, but now

that the money machine that is PADI has gotten into tech, lots more are

going to care.  Hell, even if they don't care, they should.  Now you are

going to have people following computers and the calculated deco schedules.

They'll end up doing 4 dives a day, all requiring minor decompression, then

they'll get bent.  I think that from a legal standpoint PADI and the other

agencies are going to have to teach the students about deco theory.  If all

they tell them is to go down, don't come up till your computer tells you to

and you'll be OK, then they are going to get sued.  PADI and others will at

a minimum have to cover some deco theory just to cover their asses in a

court of law.  That way they can do what they do today and say, "we taught

them this and they did that so it's there fault not ours...."  Don't kid

yourself into thinking that the general population is not going to know

anything about decompression theory in the next 5-10 years or so.  Look at

NITROX!  10 years ago it's voodoo gas and now PADI has everyone thinking

it's the best thing since sliced bread!  If there is money to be made, PADI

will find a way.  I think the next logical money maker for them is PADI tech

which has to include decompression and stuff.  They'll do like they did with

NITROX, educate people, and come up with a simple approach and teach/charge

the hell out of it.  There are plenty of people out there that all they like

to do is stay in courses and take classes.  That's how you get instructors

teaching after a year of getting certified themselves.  PADI's a money

making machine!  I'd go as far as to say that with 10 years you'll have PADI

teaching Trimix below 130 foot!  PADI is great at getting students to take

more and more courses.  They push you to either go until Dive Master or get

that stupid "Master Scuba Diver" certification, that one really cracks me

up!  :)


Art. >>
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