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I'm sure once a lawyer in a court of law can prove that these products that are claimed to cause all these problems actually killed someone, then those suits will start flying. Until that happens I guess it'll just have to keep getting kicked around on the web. Not advocating double bladder wings as I do think they are a waste of money, not needed and yes could get confusing if not knowing which bladder to dump. If you need that much lift, just get a 90# single bladder (not that you should need that much lift either....). As for some of the other stuff that is blamed on deaths, I'm not so sure. Art. -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Sherman [mailto:bruce.s@co*.co*.nz*] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 11:00 PM To: Techdiver List Subject: Re: NY DCS hit I am surprised that no law suits have been bought against manufacturers such as OMS for Bondage wing type products which are clearly related to some dive deaths. Or have they ? Chaz ----- Original Message ----- From: MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*> To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>; Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 12:26 PM Subject: Re: NY DCS hit > Cobb,, > > Part of the problem is that they still believe Maffatone was a pioneer.. > When you have guys worshipping idiots that do stupid things what do you > expect??? > > Could you imagine how many fatalities they would have back there if the > season was 12 months a year??? It's a good thing they can't dive year > round.. > > Later > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*> > To: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>; "Tech Diver" > <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 3:19 PM > Subject: Re: NY DCS hit > > > > Well, the story gets better and better. Further news states that this > idiot > > *was* diving independent doubles and his problem was with his OMS > > stuporwings. the knucklehead lost track of which bladder he had inflated. > > > > So here we have a guy who has to worry about what air he has in his > drysuit, > > what air he has in which bungee wing bladder, what air he has in which > tank > > in his back gas, what air he has in his deco bottles, etc. etc. etc. > > > > Is this supposed to be fun? When will you knuckleheads out there get the > > picture? When will the lightbulb come on? Is this sheer stupidity or some > > other bizarre manifestation which only psychoanalysis will be able to > figure > > out? > > > > Steve and Janet, why do you folks condone this shit? To what advantage > would > > it have been to you North East Dive Boat association to loose yet another > > mate? Why do you guys, respected members of the community up there, > promote > > this crap? > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ > > > > > From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> > > > Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 11:07:05 -0400 > > > To: Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > > > Subject: NY DCS hit > > > > > > Interesting story. As I recall this is the fellow who was particularly > > > quarrelsome and pathetically stupid during last year's Wahoo wars on > Tech > > > Diver. > > > > > > This story seems to indicate that either he was breathing from > independent > > > doubles or doing that thing what nobody ever claims that they do, using > a > > > pony to extend his bottom time. > > > > > > I'm sorry, but Janet and Steve, for how much longer are you going to let > > > this stupid stroke stuff go on up there? I am really wondering if doing > all > > > that deep air has effected your brains like it has Tom Mount's. > > > > > > Clusterfucks like this do in two or three or more NE divers a year yet > > > nobody seems to care. Is this a macho thing? Your normal excuse is that > you > > > cannot "tell customers how to dive" but this guy was a mate, a paid crew > > > member and certainly you have say over what gear he uses. When will you > > > people wake up? > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ > > > > > >> From: "Al Wells" <fossildiver@mi*.co*> > > >> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 03:10:23 -0400 > > >> To: <FlTechDiver@mikey.net> > > >> Subject: NY DCS hit > > >> > > >> http://www.newsday.com/coverage/current/news/tuesday/nd3990.htm > > >> > > >> Oxygen Chamber Saves Scuba Diver > > >> by Katie Thomas > > >> Staff Writer > > >> > > >> A Connecticut man suffered a nearly fatal diving accident 60 miles out > to > > >> sea when his suit took on too much air and he sped to the surface > Friday > > >> without allowing his body to properly decompress. > > >> > > >> The incident came at the end of what had been a fairly smooth dive > around > > >> the Texas Tower, a toppled radar station, said the diver, Mark Shannon, > of > > >> Fairfield, Conn. An experienced diver and crew member for the Wahoo, a > dive > > >> boat based at the Captree Boat Basin, Shannon was about to begin his > ascent > > >> from 140 feet in the Atlantic Ocean when he swallowed a mouthful of > water > > >> while switching from one air regulator to another. > > >> > > >> After several moments spent bringing his breathing under control, > Shannon > > >> began to head for the anchor line that would lead him to the surface. > His > > >> diving partner, crew member Nick Ricciardelli, had already begun > untying the > > >> line, so Shannon decided to try to make it to the anchor line before > fixing > > >> his suit, which had too much air. > > >> > > >> "I started to drift upward, and then I got farther and farther out of > > >> control," said Shannon, 40, who has dived perhaps 700 times since 1989 > and > > >> is a lieutenant in the Stamford, Conn., fire department. "Then I was > flying > > >> to the surface." Shannon considers himself a lucky man. Often such > > >> "uncontrolled ascents" can be fatal. Air trapped in divers' lungs > expands as > > >> it reaches the surface and can rupture their lungs if they don't > exhale, as > > >> Shannon did. An air bubble could have become trapped in his blood and > > >> reached his brain, causing stroke-like symptoms or death. > > >> > > >> "This guy was very lucky," said Shannon's doctor, Kenneth Hirsh, of the > John > > >> T. Mather Memorial Hospital in Port Jefferson. "He was very fortunate > that > > >> he doesn't seem to have long-term problems." Instead, Shannon got a > severe > > >> case of what is known as "the bends," or decompression sickness, which > > >> happens when divers ascend too quickly and the nitrogen that has > dissolved > > >> into their tissue and blood while deep underwater turns into gas > bubbles > > >> that block blood flow and can impede the nervous system. > > >> > > >> Crew members immediately fished Shannon from the water and began giving > him > > >> oxygen. Shooting pains stabbed his back, legs and nearly all of his > joints. > > >> > > >> Captain Janet Bieser radioed the Coast Guard, and within an hour he was > on > > >> his way to Mather and the hospital's hyperbaric oxygen chamber, which > allows > > >> the nitrogen to slowly dissolve. > > >> > > >> He spent eight hours in the chamber Friday and has received several > two-hour > > >> treatments over the past several days. Doctors say he is expected to > fully > > >> recover. > > >> > > >> Shannon's wife, Robin, learned of the accident Friday afternoon after > > >> returning from errands with her daughter, Rachel, 3. > > >> > > >> "It's the kind of phone call you hope you never get," said Robin, who > also > > >> is an avid diver. > > >> > > >> Wahoo owner Steve Bielenda called Shannon an experienced diver and said > the > > >> accident could have happened to anyone. "This is one of those domino > effect > > >> type of things. One thing goes wrong, you pay attention to it, then > > >> something else goes wrong," he said. His boat conducts about 5,000 > dives a > > >> year. Bielenda said Long Island sees three to seven such accidents > every > > >> year. Eleven passengers and five crew members made the trip aboard the > Wahoo > > >> on Friday. > > >> > > >> Despite his ordeal, Shannon hasn't sworn off diving. If doctors permit > it, > > >> he'll dive again. But "I don't know if I'll ever go that deep again," > he > > >> said. > > >> > > >> Decompressing How patients are treated for the "bends" The increased > > >> pressure of the chamber helps decrease the size of nitrogen bubbles in > a > > >> patient who has decompression illness or the "bends," a painful and > > >> dangerous condition usually associated with diving and caused by gas > bubbles > > >> in the bloodstream and body tissues. The chamber helps reduce the > bubbles so > > >> they can be reabsorbed into the bloodstream. > > >> > > >> 100 percent oxygen is pumped into the chamber at high pressure for the > > >> patient to breatehr. This is a high-pressure or "hyperbaric" dose of > oxygen. > > >> > > >> > > >> During the course of treatment, whihc varies, the patient is given air > > >> breaks of 21 percent oxygen. > > >> > > >> In a pressurized chamber, the body is able to absorb two to three times > more > > >> pure oxygen thatn if there were no increase in pressure. > > >> > > >> SOURCE: Kathy McGonigle, R.N.; John T. 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