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Bruce, I am a bit puzzled by this. Who is selling law suits ? Is there a good market for them ? Sellouts, bargains ? If someone breaks a law, there should be a public prosecutor. Is there a law against selling dumb eqipment ? Only if the eqipment does not comply with a law a regulation, I guess. Is there a law against stupidity , or stupidly using dumb equipment ? I guess not. Is there a law against recommending the use of dumb equipment ? Perhaps, if there is a formal commitment of the advisor towards the user. Otherwise, it reduces to good will of branding dumb practice; market pressure, and darwinism. American law suit practice may deviate from europeen, though. But I get strange feeling when I hear about buying law suits, the thinking of balancing efforts/ revenues is sick in my opinion. Dangerous practice should be punished in order to prevent it from happening again, not in order to garanty revenues on a market based thinking. Matthias Bruce Sherman schrieb: > > I am surprised that no law suits have been bought against manufacturers such > as OMS for Bondage wing type products which are clearly related to some dive > deaths. Or have they ? > Chaz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MHK <mhkane@pr*.ne*> > To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>; Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 12:26 PM > Subject: Re: NY DCS hit > > > Cobb,, > > > > Part of the problem is that they still believe Maffatone was a pioneer.. > > When you have guys worshipping idiots that do stupid things what do you > > expect??? > > > > Could you imagine how many fatalities they would have back there if the > > season was 12 months a year??? It's a good thing they can't dive year > > round.. > > > > Later > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*> > > To: "Jim Cobb" <cobber@ci*.co*>; "Tech Diver" > > <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 3:19 PM > > Subject: Re: NY DCS hit > > > > > > > Well, the story gets better and better. Further news states that this > > idiot > > > *was* diving independent doubles and his problem was with his OMS > > > stuporwings. the knucklehead lost track of which bladder he had > inflated. > > > > > > So here we have a guy who has to worry about what air he has in his > > drysuit, > > > what air he has in which bungee wing bladder, what air he has in which > > tank > > > in his back gas, what air he has in his deco bottles, etc. etc. etc. > > > > > > Is this supposed to be fun? When will you knuckleheads out there get the > > > picture? When will the lightbulb come on? Is this sheer stupidity or > some > > > other bizarre manifestation which only psychoanalysis will be able to > > figure > > > out? > > > > > > Steve and Janet, why do you folks condone this shit? To what advantage > > would > > > it have been to you North East Dive Boat association to loose yet > another > > > mate? Why do you guys, respected members of the community up there, > > promote > > > this crap? > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ > > > > > > > From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*> > > > > Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 11:07:05 -0400 > > > > To: Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > > > > Subject: NY DCS hit > > > > > > > > Interesting story. As I recall this is the fellow who was particularly > > > > quarrelsome and pathetically stupid during last year's Wahoo wars on > > Tech > > > > Diver. > > > > > > > > This story seems to indicate that either he was breathing from > > independent > > > > doubles or doing that thing what nobody ever claims that they do, > using > > a > > > > pony to extend his bottom time. > > > > > > > > I'm sorry, but Janet and Steve, for how much longer are you going to > let > > > > this stupid stroke stuff go on up there? I am really wondering if > doing > > all > > > > that deep air has effected your brains like it has Tom Mount's. > > > > > > > > Clusterfucks like this do in two or three or more NE divers a year yet > > > > nobody seems to care. Is this a macho thing? Your normal excuse is > that > > you > > > > cannot "tell customers how to dive" but this guy was a mate, a paid > crew > > > > member and certainly you have say over what gear he uses. When will > you > > > > people wake up? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ > > > > > > > >> From: "Al Wells" <fossildiver@mi*.co*> > > > >> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 03:10:23 -0400 > > > >> To: <FlTechDiver@mikey.net> > > > >> Subject: NY DCS hit > > > >> > > > >> http://www.newsday.com/coverage/current/news/tuesday/nd3990.htm > > > >> > > > >> Oxygen Chamber Saves Scuba Diver > > > >> by Katie Thomas > > > >> Staff Writer > > > >> > > > >> A Connecticut man suffered a nearly fatal diving accident 60 miles > out > > to > > > >> sea when his suit took on too much air and he sped to the surface > > Friday > > > >> without allowing his body to properly decompress. > > > >> > > > >> The incident came at the end of what had been a fairly smooth dive > > around > > > >> the Texas Tower, a toppled radar station, said the diver, Mark > Shannon, > > of > > > >> Fairfield, Conn. An experienced diver and crew member for the Wahoo, > a > > dive > > > >> boat based at the Captree Boat Basin, Shannon was about to begin his > > ascent > > > >> from 140 feet in the Atlantic Ocean when he swallowed a mouthful of > > water > > > >> while switching from one air regulator to another. > > > >> > > > >> After several moments spent bringing his breathing under control, > > Shannon > > > >> began to head for the anchor line that would lead him to the surface. > > His > > > >> diving partner, crew member Nick Ricciardelli, had already begun > > untying the > > > >> line, so Shannon decided to try to make it to the anchor line before > > fixing > > > >> his suit, which had too much air. > > > >> > > > >> "I started to drift upward, and then I got farther and farther out of > > > >> control," said Shannon, 40, who has dived perhaps 700 times since > 1989 > > and > > > >> is a lieutenant in the Stamford, Conn., fire department. "Then I was > > flying > > > >> to the surface." Shannon considers himself a lucky man. Often such > > > >> "uncontrolled ascents" can be fatal. Air trapped in divers' lungs > > expands as > > > >> it reaches the surface and can rupture their lungs if they don't > > exhale, as > > > >> Shannon did. An air bubble could have become trapped in his blood and > > > >> reached his brain, causing stroke-like symptoms or death. > > > >> > > > >> "This guy was very lucky," said Shannon's doctor, Kenneth Hirsh, of > the > > John > > > >> T. Mather Memorial Hospital in Port Jefferson. "He was very fortunate > > that > > > >> he doesn't seem to have long-term problems." Instead, Shannon got a > > severe > > > >> case of what is known as "the bends," or decompression sickness, > which > > > >> happens when divers ascend too quickly and the nitrogen that has > > dissolved > > > >> into their tissue and blood while deep underwater turns into gas > > bubbles > > > >> that block blood flow and can impede the nervous system. > > > >> > > > >> Crew members immediately fished Shannon from the water and began > giving > > him > > > >> oxygen. Shooting pains stabbed his back, legs and nearly all of his > > joints. > > > >> > > > >> Captain Janet Bieser radioed the Coast Guard, and within an hour he > was > > on > > > >> his way to Mather and the hospital's hyperbaric oxygen chamber, which > > allows > > > >> the nitrogen to slowly dissolve. > > > >> > > > >> He spent eight hours in the chamber Friday and has received several > > two-hour > > > >> treatments over the past several days. Doctors say he is expected to > > fully > > > >> recover. > > > >> > > > >> Shannon's wife, Robin, learned of the accident Friday afternoon after > > > >> returning from errands with her daughter, Rachel, 3. > > > >> > > > >> "It's the kind of phone call you hope you never get," said Robin, who > > also > > > >> is an avid diver. > > > >> > > > >> Wahoo owner Steve Bielenda called Shannon an experienced diver and > said > > the > > > >> accident could have happened to anyone. "This is one of those domino > > effect > > > >> type of things. One thing goes wrong, you pay attention to it, then > > > >> something else goes wrong," he said. His boat conducts about 5,000 > > dives a > > > >> year. Bielenda said Long Island sees three to seven such accidents > > every > > > >> year. Eleven passengers and five crew members made the trip aboard > the > > Wahoo > > > >> on Friday. > > > >> > > > >> Despite his ordeal, Shannon hasn't sworn off diving. If doctors > permit > > it, > > > >> he'll dive again. But "I don't know if I'll ever go that deep again," > > he > > > >> said. > > > >> > > > >> Decompressing How patients are treated for the "bends" The increased > > > >> pressure of the chamber helps decrease the size of nitrogen bubbles > in > > a > > > >> patient who has decompression illness or the "bends," a painful and > > > >> dangerous condition usually associated with diving and caused by gas > > bubbles > > > >> in the bloodstream and body tissues. The chamber helps reduce the > > bubbles so > > > >> they can be reabsorbed into the bloodstream. > > > >> > > > >> 100 percent oxygen is pumped into the chamber at high pressure for > the > > > >> patient to breatehr. This is a high-pressure or "hyperbaric" dose of > > oxygen. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> During the course of treatment, whihc varies, the patient is given > air > > > >> breaks of 21 percent oxygen. > > > >> > > > >> In a pressurized chamber, the body is able to absorb two to three > times > > more > > > >> pure oxygen thatn if there were no increase in pressure. > > > >> > > > >> SOURCE: Kathy McGonigle, R.N.; John T. 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