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Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:41:50 +0300
From: "Manos Manoli" <cytech@ma*.co*.cy*>
To: kevin.obrien03@us*.cg*.co*
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Solo cash classes
Kevin i bed you are a colourful recreational diver aren't you ?
Do you tech dive ?
4 God sake your reply must be a Joke !!

>>Aside from freedom of choice, which presumably we all agree on,......>>
   Freedom of movement you also have when you drive without your seat belt
     on ... do you ??

>>there are valid reasons for some divers to want to dive solo.
>>Underwater photography is a perfect example.
YES it is a perfect example where  you neeeeeed to have a buddy.
Specially when you are concentrated on your subject or in your view-finder.
My buddy can understand this and he doesn't complain because im his buddy
when he is rolling on another dive.

>>Most of the time, the agencies are well behind the diving community,
Open your eyes Some they are but others  are behind your wallet....

>>And making money isn't bad.
It is when you making money by risking other people life's , teaching
deep air , steel stages ..bla bla bla ...

>> Why not allow a capable diver
>>that has appropriate training and experience to dive alone ??
Who defines capable and experience divers ? I know divers with
over 500 wrong dives!!!


Manos Manoli

kevin.obrien03@us*.cg*.co* wrote:

> At the risk of being severely flamed by many on this list, I have to
> disagree on the solo diver issue.  I think that, for certain individuals,
> there is nothing wrong with wanting to dive solo.  Aside from freedom of
> choice, which presumably we all agree on, there are valid reasons for some
> divers to want to dive solo.  Underwater photography is a perfect example.
> Most of the time the buddy is bored to tears or nowhere to be found, as the
> photo diver moves very slowly and may spend a lot of time (maybe the entire
> dive) around a single subject. But let's get to the point that seems to
> irritate most of those against solo diving.  You see it as a greed issue
> for the agencies.  That's pure bullshit.  Most of the time, the agencies
> are well behind the diving community, only finally creating new training
> after there is a proven demand for it.  Come on, use your heads, is an
> agency going to spend lots of $$ creating training materials, spending
> legal fees, etc. for a course that only a very small number of people will
> pay for.  Of course not.  The agencies are for-profit businesses.  They
> provide a service that a reasonably large group of divers will want --
> enough so that they can make money.  And making money isn't bad.  Anyone
> else on this list in business ??  Do you want to make money -- or go broke
> ??  In fact, profit at the agencies allows them to do research, create new
> training approaches and other things that have made this sport safer every
> year. So, to the question of solo diving.  Why not allow a capable diver
> that has appropriate training and experience to dive alone if he/she
> chooses ??  At a minimum, the agencies might require advanced/rescue level
> certification, minimum of 100 dives, max. depth 80-100 ft, completely
> redundant gas supply with min. volume, say a 13 cf pony, etc. as
> prerequisites.  As a recreational diving instructor, I can tell you that
> when I have a group of non-certified open water students underwater on
> their training dives, I am diving alone.  Who's going to help me if I have
> a problem ??  One of the students ??  Not a chance in hell. OK, I've said
> my piece.  Flame on. Safe diving -- KOB.

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