No, bullshit on you - JJ does not hand out certification over the phone like
TDI does and has, and unless you can make the cut at GUE, you have no
business running your mouth about "switching" - there is no "switching. You
do it right or you stay with the strokes. That is why GUE will stay the
best.

Quit being a hypocrite - if you think teaching diving is so important, then
do what it takes to DIR and cut the lip service.



From: "David B. Widen" <dwiden@tw*.co*>
To: "Paul Braunbehrens" <Bakalite@ba*.co*>; <ScottBonis@ao*.co*>;
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: deep air Please help


> Bullshit - people do not do the research and read. TDI dropped the
> Extended Range (Deep Air) requirement for Trimix two years ago. I tend
> to believe that is from the drum beating the that George Irvine and
> company have done about Deep Air BS. I am a TDI Instructor, although a
> great deal of DIR technique and methodology is incorporated in the
> classes I teach. I won't teach ER any more. If you want ER, find a new
> instructor. If you are going to become a Tech Dive, do your research,
> ask question. Do not just follow the crowd. I have thought long and hard
> about changing to GUE as an instructor. It is hard to come up with the
> time and money away from my business to spend it in FL for the course
> work.
>
> I hope and believe that here are more instructor like me out there.
>
> David
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Braunbehrens [mailto:Bakalite@ba*.co*]
> > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:39 AM
> > To: ScottBonis@ao*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
> > Subject: Re: deep air Please help
> >
> >
> > The problem is that people aren't aware of the options.  They have an
> > instructor that they've been working with, whom they trust, and then
> > the guy says "OK, the next step is to do Deep Air".  You try to
> > argue, but the guy is adamant because he wants to make money on one
> > more class.  You figure he must know his stuff, and you do want to
> > progress to trimix, so you feel you have no choice.  It's classic,
> > and it's criminal.
> >
> > <ScottBonis@ao*.co*> wrote:
> > ~
> > >Hi Ed,
> > >
> > >I'm having difficulty understanding your message.  How did
> > an instructor
> > >"FORCE" you to dive to 180 on air?  Did he physically
> > restrain you and pull
> > >you down to that depth?
> > >
> > >I think you need to grow up and start to take some
> > responsibility for your
> > >own decisions.  Yes IMHO, the instructor was wrong.  Yes
> > IMHO, the dive was
> > >stupid.  But yes, you choose to make the dive.  So consider
> > yourself lucky
> > >that you dodged the bullet this time and learn from it.
> > >
> > >Take care and dive safe,       Scott
> > >
> > >Some weeks it's just not worth the effort to gnaw through
> > the restraints and
> > >scramble up out of the pit.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >In a message dated 5/31/2001 10:00 AM NyWrecker@ao*.co* writes:
> > >
> > ><< ... Ive only ben diving for about 3 years.Im VERRY aware
> > of this deep air
> > >shit BUT i have asked a few people for a limit and cant get
> > an answer.To
> > >start off the rec limit is 130 on air.Last summer i was
> > FORCED to go to
> > >150-160-3 times and 180 on it.The MOD on the 180 was 220.I
> > know stupid BUT it
> > >was with a TDI-IANTD instructor so what do you expect.I
> > tried to get him to
> > >let me use a mix but he wouldnt and i thought he wouldnt but
> > i had to try...
> > >>>
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