Jim, Tom has not killed himself for one reason - he never does a real dive.
If he tried one with his methods, I would have him in my dead pool . My
other nick name for him is Tom Thumb. By the same token, he has no business
discussing those of us who do or our organizations, or GUE which was formed
because of him. He also has no business constantly hawking dive gear for the
worst known idiots out there, which is all he ever seems to do.

Have you ever seen him recommend anything we use? ( Not that he has any need
of it )

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:52 PM
To: ScottBonis@ao*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Trimix Computers


Fuck it Scott, I call 'em as I see 'em. I have said nothing bad about old
Tom, I just called him on his blatant attempt to reel in some suckers on
buying a worthless piece of shit trimix dive computer. What the hell is
wrong with that? I think I just may have just saved a few bone-heads out
there $1900, that makes this a fine day.

From your point of view there are some stupid fucks out there with more
money than brains and Tom deserves to sop up this gravy simply because he
has not killed himself yet, what with doing all that deep air shit. It is
truly a fucking miracle when you think about it.

No, Scott, I have a Noble Cause here, the exposure of sleazy back door
deals, slimey rationalizations and other quackery in the sport of diving.
It's enough to make you want to puke. *I* am the one on the high ground
here, my friend. You would have to be blind not to see it.

This is not an argument about diving skills and such, this is an argument of
the moral right thing to do vs. somebody using their exaulted position to
squeeze cash out of gullible bone headed divers. You know I'm right. Say,
you don't have any money invested in this goddamn VR-3 piece of crap, do
you? Tell the truth Scott and it will set you free.

   Jim
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> From: <ScottBonis@ao*.co*>
> Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:22:22 EDT
> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Subject: Re: Trimix Computers
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> You may recall that you and I have butted heads a number of times in the
> past, as well as agreeing on various subjects also.  But I see another
head
> butting coming on.
>
> I have on numerous occasions chastised posters on the net for saying
> derogatory things about Trey.  Not ever for arguing about his opinions or
> advice (which are usually pretty sound), but for showing a lack of respect
> for his accomplishments and dedication to the sport of diving.  There
comes a
> point that even if I disagree with what is being said, I must respect the
> speaker if he has earned a certain position in the community.  A freshman
> doesn't challenge a full professor.  He or she may question, but never
accuse
> or direct.  After the freshman has graduated and contributed to the
> community, then he or she may argue.
>
> Now I must request that you display a greater respect for several of the
> people in the dive community who don't happen to be associated with the
WKPP
> or GUE.  Tom Mount, whether or not you agree with his dive techniques, is
one
> of the clear leaders and outstanding figures in the technical diving
> community.  He at IANTD, along with Ed Betts at ANDI, Bret Gilliam at TDI,
> et. al. for example, are, whether or not you choose to accept it, among
the
> true pioneers in technical diving.  These people and others like them, are
> our teachers and have devoted major portions of their lives to advancing
> diving techniques and making the sport safer for all of us.
>
> Perhaps you now feel that some of the information being presented by these
> organizations has been superseded by new data that points in a new
direction.
> This may be so.  But it does not give you the right or even simply
> permission, to forget that these people and organizations have persevered
and
> should have earned your respect.
>
> Trey, by virtue of his unique position as a nonprofessional whose
> accomplishments, experience and contributions to the body of technical
diving
> knowledge have earned him the respect of divers worldwide, happens to have
a
> confrontational communication style.  Because of his position I, and most
> others who wish to learn, overlook this as a personal negative.  It is his
> way and we accept him for what he is and what he has to offer.  And we are
> appreciative for his time and efforts.
>
> But make no mistake that you have certainly not earned a similar position.
> In my opinion, you have no business whatever telling Tom Mount or the
others,
> what they SHOULD be doing.  They are the teachers and you are the student.
> They tell you.  You listen quietly, ask for more information, choose what
is
> right for you and make your own decisions.  But you do not pretend to be
on
> the level of your teachers and direct them.  That is pure ego.
>
> Let's not forget that we live in an ordered society where true respect is
> earned over many years of accomplishment and service, not simply by who
can
> yell the loudest or type the most curse words into his or her computer.  I
> consider myself really fortunate to have had the opportunity to learn from
> individuals of this caliber.
>
> Jim, I think that you ought to consider this carefully and perhaps modify
> your approach when communicating with these folks.  And I need to say here
> that although this message is addressed to you Jim, I am actually also
> speaking to a number of the other posters on this list.
>
> But then OTOH, this is simply one diver's opinion.
>
> Take care and dive safe,       Scott
>
> Some weeks it's just not worth the effort to gnaw through the restraints
and
> scramble up out of the pit.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 5/23/01 9:12:32 PM, cobber@ci*.co* writes:
> << Tom-
> Maybe not but there are plenty of diveshops out there who would
> love to sell some of these high margin pieces of shit and saying what you
> said below is about as close to a promotion as you can get. Did you
purchase
> yours or was it a promo?
> <snip>
> Tom, as I recall you used to stuff the long hose, use bungee wings, use
> steel stages, dive deep air, etc. Don't make this mistake too. >>
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