This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C0E3A2.378760C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone needs another example of why DIR is "the" way to dive and NE = USA/Wahoo style is not then read Steve Bielenda's post below. Sort of = makes the idea of a balanced rig somewhat attractive does it not? I hear = they do tec diver's wakes well in the NE, they should do they have = enough practice. Cheers Steve Bliim "The back of beyond and further" - Sydney, Australia. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Trey=20 To: Wahoodiver@ao*.co* ; plewitsch@ya*.co* ; quest@gu*.co*=20 Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: RE: Another NE wreck death Steve, I am not going to even read this slop - go take a PADI course. = Your bullshit is over , but it keeps on biting us all in the ass. -----Original Message----- From: Wahoodiver@ao*.co* [mailto:Wahoodiver@ao*.co*] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 9:56 AM To: trey@ne*.co*; Wahoodiver@ao*.co*; plewitsch@ya*.co*; = quest@gu*.co* Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: Re: Another NE wreck death Remember, trying to stand on the top of a sharp point give you very = little=20 purchase.=20 I see you have very little patience nor can you answer a = couple of=20 questions directly without losing you temper.=20 No, the last time I seen Tony Maffatone was last August when = he was=20 stepping off the deck of my boat alone to test his equipment. Tony = knew the=20 risks of diving alone and only dove alone, we discussed the risks = many times,=20 Tony dove to invent and invented to dive. Tony designed and built = all his=20 equipment, none store bought if it was he took it apart and = redesigned it and=20 made it better. Tony spent, three years building his system and 3 = months=20 diving his new design in 15 to 30 feet of water and this dive the = second one=20 to 100 feet was the next stage of testing. Tony talked about = equipment=20 failure and he tried to design every backup into his system, He had = just=20 removed the scuba second feeling the rest of his design had all = backup=20 needed.=20 From examination of the incident and equipment, there was = design=20 fault with tank balance, if the lowest tank of the seven tanks was = drained=20 empty and others more than half full it flipped him on his back up = side down.=20 The system weighs out of water 265 lbs in water 150 lbs, Tony = struggled to=20 right himself he cut his suit legs to get the gas out and right = himself but=20 being upside down the XO FFM mask flooded he cut both his shoulder = harness=20 and made a free assent, rising feet first upside down and didn't = make it.=20 Like Berman and Exley Tony was pioneer and didn't die sitting at = his=20 computer and talking diving.=20 He died following his dream, maybe not the way he say he would = choose,=20 but he did choose his time and place. We grieve Tony, like many will = grieve=20 Steve Bermans and Dave.=20 You only think you are in control, I hope you never lose it.=20 Captain Steve Bielenda=20 In a message dated 5/22/2001 6:51:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 trey@ne*.co* writes:=20 Subj:RE: Another NE wreck death=20 Date: 5/22/2001 6:51:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time=20 From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)=20 To: Wahoodiver@ao*.co*, plewitsch@ya*.co*, quest@gu*.co*=20 CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20 Belinda, bullshit. Do not waste our time with your slop. You just = never=20 learn, do you? Seen Tony Maffatone lately? Keep up the piss poor = example=20 and the hard headed baloney.=20 From: Wahoodiver@ao*.co* [mailto:Wahoodiver@ao*.co*]=20 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 8:43 PM=20 To: trey@ne*.co*; plewitsch@ya*.co*; quest@gu*.co*=20 Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20 Subject: Re: Another NE wreck death=20 Why do you have to have a buddy?=20 This guy had a massive heart attack and died almost = instantly, his=20 video camera showed 22 minutes of video and a shudder and the = camera=20 dropped=20 along with his mounted light, he started to inflate his buoyance = system=20 and=20 died his light snaged into the wreck and held his body there.=20 Where was Steve Berman dive buddy?=20 Are the rules different for different area around the world, = such as cave,=20 NE=20 wreck southern waters west coast or where ever?=20 This is not an argument just some information and questions.=20 Risk management is done by each diver themselves and the risk = they are=20 willing to take when diving alone are there own or with a dive = partner,=20 solo=20 divers do not put others at risk.=20 You may not like it but that the facts. NE wreck diving has = had its=20 share of diving deaths as many other areas of the world but non = comes any=20 were near the high count of cave diving deaths around the world, = with and=20 without there buddies.=20 Captain Steve Bielenda=20 In a message dated 5/15/01 7:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 trey@ne*.co*=20 writes:=20 Subj: RE: Another NE wreck death=20 Date: 5/15/01 7:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time=20 From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)=20 To: plewitsch@ya*.co* (Paul Lewitsch), quest@gu*.co*=20 CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20 Paul, NE diving is a disgrace - partially due to the bullshit, = and more=20 due=20 to the fact that the rest of you go along with it.=20 Let me ask a question, and you NE divers can get out your = dictionary to=20 look=20 up this word: "Where was this guy's B U D D Y ?=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: Paul Lewitsch [mailto:plewitsch@ya*.co*]=20 Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:43 PM=20 To: quest@gu*.co*=20 Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20 Subject: Another NE wreck death=20 Anyone know the actual situation of what happened?=20 George,you can disregard this email and hit delete. We=20 know your views on NE diving and believe it or not we=20 are working on a stroke free zone. It may take awhile=20 but you have to start somewhere.=20 It "may" be safe to assume he was "solo" since there=20 is no mention of a buddy report.=20 --------------------------------------=20 Routine Outing Fatal For Diver=20 Mourning an unexplained death=20 by J. Jioni Palmer=20 Staff Writer=20 David Scholl developed a passion for Long Island's=20 waterways as a child growing up in Lawrence, near=20 Jamaica Bay. As a youth, he'd spend countless hours=20 fishing and boating, but what he loved most of all was=20 diving deep below the ocean waves.=20 That love carried through to adulthood as Scholl, 42,=20 did a four-year stint in the Navy and worked part time=20 at a diving-gear shop in Mineola. He seized every=20 opportunity to go out onto the water, even=20 volunteering on weekends as an instructor on board the=20 dive boat the Seahawk, helping less experienced=20 aquanauts hone their skills, relatives said.=20 But Saturday, while on a routine jaunt from Freeport=20 to a ship wreckage about 18 miles south of Fire Island=20 an unexplained tragedy befell Scholl that took his=20 life.=20 "He was a diving fanatic," says his older brother Fred=20 of Wading River, who dives for the New York City Fire=20 Department. "His house was like a shrine; it was full=20 of artifacts he picked up diving." Saturday's accident=20 bewildered Scholl's friends and relatives, who said he=20 was an experienced diver. "If anybody got hurt, Dave=20 would be the first person to go help," said=20 stepdaughter Sarah Silverman, 27. "It's kind of=20 shocking that he'd be the one needing to get rescued."=20 Scholl had explored the wreckage of the G&D,a coastal=20 steamer that sank in 1918,more than a dozen times. He=20 had anchored the dive-boat Seahawk to the wreckage=20 about 110 feet below the surface on the sandy ocean=20 bottom and given the "all-clear sign" indicating that=20 it was safe for others to dive, his sister said.=20 Not long after that, a fellow crewmember discovered=20 his lifeless body near the wreckage.=20 He was brought to the surface, where the boat's crew=20 administered CPR and radioed the Coast Guard, which=20 took him by helicopter to Nassau University Medical=20 Center in East Meadow, where he was pronounced dead,=20 said Suffolk County Homicide Det. Sgt. Arthur Ahl.=20 "There is no indication at this point of a crime," he=20 said, adding police were waiting for results of an=20 autopsy by the Nassau County medical examiner.=20 Divers from Suffolk's Marine Bureau are expected to=20 examine the wreckage today in hopes of learning what=20 went wrong, he said.=20 Scholl's relatives said they hope police recover the=20 underwater video camera he was carrying to shed light=20 on the incident.=20 Grieving friends and relatives yesterday remembered=20 Scholl, who worked for the Village of Valley Stream=20 driving a recycling truck, as an affable man with a=20 generous heart who could light up a room with=20 entertaining humor.=20 "He was the class clown and the family comedian," said=20 his sister Susan McBride, 48, of Rockaway Beach. "He=20 was the happy-go-lucky guy that everybody loved."=20 Scholl is survived by his companion of 10 years, Sue=20 Silverman of Long Beach; his mother, Carole, and=20 another sister, Debra; two children and four=20 stepchildren.=20 A wake will be today from 7-9 p.m. and tomorrow from=20 2-4 p.m. and 7-9 p.m.=20 at the Meserole Funeral Home in Inwood. Funeral=20 services will be Wednesday at 11 a.m. at the Lutheran=20 Church of the Incarnation in Cedarhurst, with=20 cremation following.=20 __________________________________________________=20 Do You Yahoo!?=20 Yahoo! 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I hear=20 they do tec diver's wakes well in the NE, they should do they have = enough=20 practice.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Steve Bliim</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"The back of beyond and further" -=20 Sydney, Australia.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dtrey@ne*.co* href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">Trey</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3DWahoodiver@ao*.co*=20 href=3D"mailto:Wahoodiver@ao*.co*">Wahoodiver@aol.com</A> ; <A=20 title=3Dplewitsch@ya*.co*=20 href=3D"mailto:plewitsch@ya*.co*">plewitsch@yahoo.com</A> ; <A=20 title=3Dquest@gu*.co* href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A = title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com=20 href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 23, 2001 = 11:45=20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Another NE wreck = death</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20 class=3D160584101-23052001>Steve, I am not going to even read this = slop - go=20 take a PADI course. Your bullshit is over , but it keeps on biting us = all in=20 the ass.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A=20 href=3D"mailto:Wahoodiver@ao*.co*">Wahoodiver@aol.com</A>=20 [mailto:Wahoodiver@ao*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 22, 2001 = 9:56=20 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A = href=3D"mailto:trey@ne*.co*">trey@netdor.com</A>; <A=20 href=3D"mailto:Wahoodiver@ao*.co*">Wahoodiver@aol.com</A>; <A=20 href=3D"mailto:plewitsch@ya*.co*">plewitsch@yahoo.com</A>; <A=20 href=3D"mailto:quest@gu*.co*">quest@gue.com</A><BR><B>Cc:</B> <A=20 = href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A><BR><B >S= ubject:</B>=20 Re: Another NE wreck death<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT=20 face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2=20 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Remember, trying to stand on the top of a sharp = point=20 give you very little <BR>purchase.=20 <BR><BR> I see you have = very little=20 patience nor can you answer a couple of <BR>questions directly = without=20 losing you temper. <BR> No, the = last time=20 I seen Tony Maffatone was last August when he was <BR>stepping off = the deck=20 of my boat alone to test his equipment. Tony knew the = <BR>risks of=20 diving alone and only dove alone, we discussed the risks many times, = <BR>Tony dove to invent and invented to dive. Tony designed = and built=20 all his <BR>equipment, none store bought if it was he took it apart = and=20 redesigned it and <BR>made it better. Tony spent, three years = building=20 his system and 3 months <BR>diving his new design in 15 to 30 feet = of water=20 and this dive the second one <BR>to 100 feet was the next stage of = testing.=20 Tony talked about equipment <BR>failure and he tried to design every = backup=20 into his system, He had just <BR>removed the scuba second = feeling the=20 rest of his design had all backup <BR>needed.=20 <BR> From examination of the = incident and=20 equipment, there was design <BR>fault with tank balance, if = the lowest=20 tank of the seven tanks was drained <BR>empty and others more than = half full=20 it flipped him on his back up side down. <BR>The system weighs out = of water=20 265 lbs in water 150 lbs, Tony struggled to <BR>right himself he cut = his=20 suit legs to get the gas out and right himself but <BR>being upside = down the=20 XO FFM mask flooded he cut both his shoulder harness <BR>and made a = free=20 assent, rising feet first upside down and didn't make it. = <BR>Like=20 Berman and Exley Tony was pioneer and didn't die sitting at = his=20 <BR>computer and talking diving. = <BR> He=20 died following his dream, maybe not the way he say he would choose, = <BR>but=20 he did choose his time and place. We grieve Tony, like many will = grieve=20 <BR>Steve Bermans and Dave. = <BR> You only=20 think you are in control, I hope you never lose it. <BR><BR>Captain = Steve=20 Bielenda <BR>In a message dated 5/22/2001 6:51:13 AM Eastern = Daylight Time,=20 <BR>trey@ne*.co* writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff = 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20 TYPE=3D"CITE">Subj:<B>RE: Another NE wreck death</B> <BR>Date: = 5/22/2001=20 6:51:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time <BR><I>From:=20 trey@ne*.co* (Trey) <BR>To:=20 Wahoodiver@ao*.co*, plewitsch@ya*.co*, = quest@gu*.co*=20 <BR>CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20 <BR></I><BR><BR><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D4 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Belinda, bullshit. Do not waste our = time with=20 your slop. You just never <BR>learn, do you? Seen Tony Maffatone = lately?=20 Keep up the piss poor example <BR>and the hard headed baloney.=20 </FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D3=20 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DTahoma = color=3D#000000=20 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR><B>From:</B> Wahoodiver@ao*.co*=20 [mailto:Wahoodiver@ao*.co*] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 21, 2001 = 8:43 PM=20 <BR><B>To:</B> trey@ne*.co*; plewitsch@ya*.co*; quest@gu*.co* = <BR><B>Cc:</B> techdiver@aquanaut.com <BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: = Another NE=20 wreck death <BR><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3Darial = color=3D#000000=20 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff = 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20 TYPE=3D"CITE">Why do you have to have a buddy?=20 <BR> This guy had a massive heart = attack=20 and died almost instantly, his <BR>video camera showed 22 = minutes of=20 video and a shudder and the camera <BR>dropped <BR>along with = his=20 mounted light, he started to inflate his buoyance system <BR>and = <BR>died his light snaged into the wreck and held his body = there.=20 <BR>Where was Steve Berman dive buddy? <BR>Are the rules = different for=20 different area around the world, such as cave, <BR>NE <BR>wreck = southern=20 waters west coast or where ever? <BR>This is not an argument = just some=20 information and questions. <BR>Risk management is done by each = diver=20 themselves and the risk they are <BR>willing to take when diving = alone=20 are there own or with a dive partner, <BR>solo <BR>divers do not = put=20 others at risk. <BR> You may not = like it=20 but that the facts. NE wreck diving has had its <BR>share of = diving=20 deaths as many other areas of the world but non comes any = <BR>were near=20 the high count of cave diving deaths around the world, with and=20 <BR>without there buddies. <BR><BR>Captain Steve Bielenda = <BR><BR>In a=20 message dated 5/15/01 7:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 <BR>trey@ne*.co* <BR>writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20 TYPE=3D"CITE">Subj: <B>RE: Another NE wreck death</B> <BR>Date: = 5/15/01=20 7:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time <BR><I>From:=20 trey@ne*.co* (Trey) <BR>To:=20 plewitsch@ya*.co* (Paul Lewitsch), = quest@gu*.co*=20 <BR>CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20 <BR></I><BR><BR><BR><BR>Paul, NE diving is a disgrace - = partially due=20 to the bullshit, and more <BR>due <BR>to the fact that the = rest of you=20 go along with it. <BR><BR>Let me ask a question, and you NE = divers can=20 get out your dictionary to <BR>look <BR>up this word: "Where = was this=20 guy's B U D D Y ? <BR><BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: = Paul=20 Lewitsch [mailto:plewitsch@ya*.co*] <BR>Sent: Monday, May = 14, 2001=20 1:43 PM <BR>To: quest@gu*.co* <BR>Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20 <BR>Subject: Another NE wreck death <BR><BR><BR>Anyone know = the actual=20 situation of what happened? <BR>George,you can disregard this = email=20 and hit delete. We <BR>know your views on NE diving and = believe it or=20 not we <BR>are working on a stroke free zone. It may take = awhile=20 <BR>but you have to start somewhere. <BR><BR>It "may" be safe = to=20 assume he was "solo" since there <BR>is no mention of a buddy = report.=20 <BR>-------------------------------------- <BR>Routine Outing = Fatal=20 For Diver <BR>Mourning an unexplained death <BR>by J. Jioni = Palmer=20 <BR>Staff Writer <BR><BR>David Scholl developed a passion for = Long=20 Island's <BR>waterways as a child growing up in Lawrence, near = <BR>Jamaica Bay. As a youth, he'd spend countless hours = <BR>fishing=20 and boating, but what he loved most of all was <BR>diving deep = below=20 the ocean waves. <BR><BR>That love carried through to = adulthood as=20 Scholl, 42, <BR>did a four-year stint in the Navy and worked = part time=20 <BR>at a diving-gear shop in Mineola. He seized every = <BR>opportunity=20 to go out onto the water, even <BR>volunteering on weekends as = an=20 instructor on board the <BR>dive boat the Seahawk, helping = less=20 experienced <BR>aquanauts hone their skills, relatives said.=20 <BR><BR>But Saturday, while on a routine jaunt from Freeport = <BR>to a=20 ship wreckage about 18 miles south of Fire Island <BR>an = unexplained=20 tragedy befell Scholl that took his <BR>life. <BR><BR>"He was = a diving=20 fanatic," says his older brother Fred <BR>of Wading River, who = dives=20 for the New York City Fire <BR>Department. "His house was like = a=20 shrine; it was full <BR>of artifacts he picked up diving." = Saturday's=20 accident <BR>bewildered Scholl's friends and relatives, who = said he=20 <BR>was an experienced diver. "If anybody got hurt, Dave = <BR>would be=20 the first person to go help," said <BR>stepdaughter Sarah = Silverman,=20 27. "It's kind of <BR>shocking that he'd be the one needing to = get=20 rescued." <BR>Scholl had explored the wreckage of the = G&D,a=20 coastal <BR>steamer that sank in 1918,more than a dozen times. = He=20 <BR>had anchored the dive-boat Seahawk to the wreckage = <BR>about 110=20 feet below the surface on the sandy ocean <BR>bottom and given = the=20 "all-clear sign" indicating that <BR>it was safe for others to = dive,=20 his sister said. <BR><BR>Not long after that, a fellow = crewmember=20 discovered <BR>his lifeless body near the wreckage. <BR><BR>He = was=20 brought to the surface, where the boat's crew <BR>administered = CPR and=20 radioed the Coast Guard, which <BR>took him by helicopter to = Nassau=20 University Medical <BR>Center in East Meadow, where he was = pronounced=20 dead, <BR>said Suffolk County Homicide Det. Sgt. Arthur Ahl.=20 <BR><BR>"There is no indication at this point of a crime," he=20 <BR>said, adding police were waiting for results of an = <BR>autopsy by=20 the Nassau County medical examiner. <BR><BR>Divers from = Suffolk's=20 Marine Bureau are expected to <BR>examine the wreckage today = in hopes=20 of learning what <BR>went wrong, he said. <BR><BR>Scholl's = relatives=20 said they hope police recover the <BR>underwater video camera = he was=20 carrying to shed light <BR>on the incident. <BR><BR>Grieving = friends=20 and relatives yesterday remembered <BR>Scholl, who worked for = the=20 Village of Valley Stream <BR>driving a recycling truck, as an = affable=20 man with a <BR>generous heart who could light up a room with=20 <BR>entertaining humor. <BR><BR>"He was the class clown and = the family=20 comedian," said <BR>his sister Susan McBride, 48, of Rockaway = Beach.=20 "He <BR>was the happy-go-lucky guy that everybody loved." = <BR>Scholl=20 is survived by his companion of 10 years, Sue <BR>Silverman of = Long=20 Beach; his mother, Carole, and <BR>another sister, Debra; two = children=20 and four <BR>stepchildren. <BR><BR>A wake will be today from = 7-9 p.m.=20 and tomorrow from <BR>2-4 p.m. and 7-9 p.m. <BR><BR>at the = Meserole=20 Funeral Home in Inwood. 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