Has he died, too? Larry showed up one time to help back on a day where we had our last dive under a permit that Gavin had secured for only two exploration dives with two setups and two cleanups. Thinking we might never get back in again, JJ and I invited everyone we knew to come dive, and we made a video, did the cleanup dive, then JJ , Todd Kincaid, Casey McKinlay and I finished off C Tunnel and did a side tunnel, and had a great time. We had the whole circus there at once. Then the Park gave us real permits. We went back to by-the-book only after that one dive. It was amusing, a real Star Wars bar scene, but we let everyone take a shot at it that wanted to dive Wakulla. In retrospect, it was not as crazy as it sounds: we only let them go about 400 feet past the deco drop, and we had an escort team of regulars. They got to see the main tunnel and the B C junction, and they loved it. What are we going to do now, guys, see how many strokes dove in the WKPP? Let me answer that two ways: one , go to the website or the GUE website and see the current roster, and two, the strokes were many in number and short lived with me. You guys are really too much. JJ and I were laughing it up today about some blithering idiots on Rec Scuba: this guy cited a link to the GUE site where there was a picture of a diver by himself at the Wakulla entrance. He said, "where is this guy's buddy?", like he busted us. The "buddies" were the guy taking the picture and the four guys holding the strobe slaves. You guys appear just that ignorant to me when you comment about me or the WKPP. -----Original Message----- From: Junior Massud [mailto:avisa@bh*.co*.br*] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 9:51 AM To: Trey; terry michael; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com Subject: RES: Re: Steve Berman What about Larry Green? -----Mensagem original----- De: Trey [mailto:trey@ne*.co*] Enviada em: domingo, 20 de maio de 2001 08:07 Para: terry michael; Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com Assunto: RE: Re: Steve Berman Terry, would you like to tell me what the history of the WKPP is, or is it ok for me to do it? The point is that we had a handful of people who would even try this stuff. The first guy always ready to go was Sheck, but he was new with the team. Gavin had dove with him once, I dove with him a few times. The regular three man team was Gavin, Lamar English and myself on survey. Lamar bailed one day and Exley stepped in, and then Exley and I dove to gether a bunch until he killed himself. He got right on the DIR thing other than the having to do stupid things like he did to kill himself. He was as cool as it gets in the toughest dives. He also was game for any crazy thing I dreamed up, and I miss him - he was like a kid. Most of the old time WKPP guys had quit , and those who remained had already drawn their own line in the sand. There was a sign along the highway to Tallahassee that said, "Prepare to meet thy maker". It used to freak everyone, and I wanted to tear it down, but was afraid to do so, but it finally rotted and fell down about the time we got serious about DIR in the WKPP. In the wings was my favorite dive partner, JJ, and he and I did all the other dives that Gavin was not on. Gavin had a thing about not diving with people under 30 after Sherwood died, and he had a thing about not diving the horrendous dives too much to save the wear and tear. At that point even a simple set up dive was what once had been world record dives at 300 feet. JJ ate those up, and so did Exley, and of course as we now see with me, the wear and tear factor is a moot point if you DIR. We did not have enough qualified people to run the dives the way we do now where we send multiple teams to set up before the push team and then clean up after, so JJ and Exley and I did both the setups and the cleanups. The only reason my guys ( JJ, Casey, etc ) were not on the main dives is that the other guys were there first, and I since Lamar was my original dive partner from the time I was certified and Gavin right after that, those two took me as the next in line and I could survey the fastest. As far as ability to do these dives and tolerate anything, as well as deal with any thing and everything at once, JJ is the correct guy, and what makes me so "good" is knowing that all along , as well as knowing who not to let in the water. I hope this clarifies things. There are hundreds and hundreds of people who have helped with the WKPP at one time or another. -----Original Message----- From: terry michael [mailto:OEA51@go*.co*] Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 9:30 PM To: Trey; Michael J. Black; techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: Re: Re: Steve Berman >Back then JJ and Exley and I did all the setups , >cleanups and Gavin and I did all the dives. The world according to George? :-) -----Original Message----- From: "Trey"<trey@ne*.co*> To: "Michael J. Black"<mjblackmd@ya*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com Date: Sat May 19 04:46:22 PDT 2001 Subject: Re: Steve Berman >Mike , show me the better way. Go ahead, we are all listening. You yapping >about people is not diving. Show me a better way to dive, show me your >methods and systems. > >Nobody will get on here who knew Berman and say anything different than what >JJ and I already said. > >I said , Berman came out to help a couple of times years ago, and decided he >did not want to do that kind of diving , and he did not want to do it my way >, and he did not want to do it my way off the field, or we could have used >him . Back then JJ and Exley and I did all the setups , cleanups and Gavin >and I did all the dives. Now we have over 100 people, so we no longer try to >change anyone to fit our methods, we go with those who want to do it our >way, and that goes for GUE as well. > >As I said, Mike, if I catch any WKPP member violating my rules on or off the >field, they are gone , and if JJ catches any GUE instructor not doing what >he wants, they are gone. How much clearer can it get, Mike? > >And maybe you can tell me what difference it makes anyway. If somebody does >something stupid, I will always say it was stupid. Everyone can see Berman's >dying for nothing is not the way to go. This is an interesting case simply >because Berman was such a long time diver and was skillful. On the other >hand there are a ton of can't walk and chew gum cases out there who think >solo diving is a good idea. Hopefully he set that record straight. Hopefully >Sheck set the record straight on diving with morons and diving deep air - >his 30 years of cave diving got extinguished in one bad move. Berman , Exley >and McGuire were a lot tougher than 99% of the divers in the world. They are >dead. They did not do it right. > >Let me point one more thing out to all you strokes: the reason I get access >everywhere? Those who let me dive know I will not let the Exleys dive air, >the Bermans dive solo, or the McGuire's dive bottles not properly marked, >and that is why I have the keys to the kingdom and the assholes who >constantly fight me get to dive at Ginnie. I can enforce it with my >authority, and I will set that example, and so will everyone around me or >they will not be around me for long. Again, you tell me the better way. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael J. Black [mailto:mjblackmd@ya*.co*] >Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 10:41 PM >To: Trey; techdiver@aquanaut.com >Subject: RE: FW: Steve Berman > > >Funny how you Doing-It-Rightists keep lying and denying, and it helps >your cause so much when you disagree among yourselves. Friends and >students of Berman's seem to think he was a GUE instructor who dived >DIR, and helped in the past with the WKPP. Next thing you know, you'll >be calling him a "stroke," "barnyard stupid." And what's the "body count" >for you guys now...McGuirre, Wolvo, Berman, who else? MJB > >--- Trey <trey@ne*.co*> wrote: >> >> >> Mike, you believe what you want, but as usual, you are spreading lies that >> some bitter person put in your ear. You have no idea who these people are >or >> what you are talking about anyway, and there is not a single person on >here >> who does not recognize that. >> >> It is as we said. >> >> Steve Berman was not a GUE instructor. In remembering back when Steve did >> help with the WKPP, it was when Exley was still alive, so figure out how >> long ago that was. He showed up a couple of times, and I tried to get him >to >> run with the ball, but he told me that it was just not for him. >> >> Jarrod's way with GUE was not for him either so he did not become a GUE >> instructor, which he easily could have had he chosen to follow the path we >> follow, on and off the field. He did not. Where might he be now if he >were >> a GUE instructor? >> >> As I said, my players conduct their diving DIR on and of the field or I ax >> them, Jarrod's instructors display the GUE example or he axes them. End of >> story. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael J. Black [mailto:mjblackmd@ya*.co*] >> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 12:09 AM >> To: Aquanaut Mail >> Subject: Re: FW: Steve Berman >> >> >> Who do you wanna believe? >> >> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com >> From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey) >> Subject: RE: Ginnie Fatality >> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001, 07:52:52 - 0400 >> >> "He (Berman) did help with WKPP a while back, but like you (Black), he >> thought I was a huge asshole and did not want to do it my way." >> >> To: quest@gu*.co* >> From: JJ@gu*.co* (Jarrod Jablonski) >> Subject: Steve Berman >> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:38:10 - 0400 >> >> "Steve (Berman) had nothing to do with the WKPP or with GUE." >> >> For the record, Berman was a GUE instructor who had helped in the past >> with the WKPP. He dived DIR, and died violating the DIR principle of >> no solo diving. And for the record, you can count on more lies, denials, >> hypocrisy, and death, from the Doing-It-Rightists. >> >> MJB >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >> http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >> -- >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! 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