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Oh sure, I wasn't trying to imply that making just one mistake or having one failure will do you in. Its more that your need to use redundancy and pay attention to detail in order to minimize the number of things that go wrong and like you said, make sure you aren't screwed by any one thing that does go bad. If you recall, the term clusterfuck was coined by Clint Eastwood's character in "Heartbreak Ridge" to describe the way in which the US military managed to lose a war against a small third world country by seemingly going out its way to do everything wrong while seeking out and embracing every source of accidental injury possible. If you think about it, you can either have a clusterfuck by doing everything right and having random chance get you- for example, do everything right in a cave in California and die when a number 8 earthquake brings the roof down on your head. Or you can have a clusterfuck by having unlabeled regs, turning on the 15 cu ft pony instead of your main tank, jump off the boat and drown in 80 feet trying to figure out why the hell your "back up" reg won't give you any air... (Delaware Bay last year). I guess that's the point I was trying to make, thanks for pointing out what I left out. Wendell Jim Cobb wrote: > > I don't think that technical diving has zero tolerance for error. It is > usually a chain of errors known in the sport as a "clusterfuck" which lead > to the demise of a diver. > > The idea, IMHO, is to make errors survivable by redundant systems, a good > plan and a large safety margin. Certainly there are events which can lead to > certain death (a wing falling off your plane, a collapse during a > penetration), but if diving were risk-free, it would not be any fun would > it? > > Jim > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/ > > > From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@ho*.co*> > > Reply-To: <arizonajeep@ho*.co*> > > Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 06:49:20 -0700 > > To: "'Wendell Grogan'" <wgrogan@dc*.ne*>, "'Trey'" <trey@ne*.co*> > > Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > > Subject: Less than one mistake margin of error; was RE: FW: Steve Berman > > > > Wendall, > > > > You bring up a great point... in technical diving your margin of error is > > almost always less than one mistake. > > I'm a pilot, and in flying, you can be one mistake high, or two mistakes > > high, or three mistakes high... in technical diving; you often don't have > > that luxury. Funny, almost every extreme sport turns out to be that way... > > zero tolerance for error, which is perhaps why George is the way he is; zero > > tolerance (although he could stand to brush up on his presentation skills a > > bit <grin>). > > > > If my life depended on the skills of the people who I am diving with (as it > > sometimes does with technical diving), I would make sure that I only dive > > with the best. Divers with bad gear choices, bad conditioning, and bad > > diving skills are all walking around with a sign on their forehead: > > > > "I consume your margin of error" > > > > It makes sense to dive with people who share your beliefs on gear, your > > skills, and your conditioning. The chain is only as strong as its weakest > > link. Hell... when MY LIFE depends on someone else; I only want the best > > around me. > > > > Regards, > > > > Joe West > > > > > >> > >> I think another point all this illustrates is that this is a > >> technically > >> demanding sport. Or to put it in other terms, every time we > >> go diving, > >> we are one mistake/dumb choice away from sudden death. > >> What burns me about the commentary by a certain person best > >> left unnamed > > <snip> > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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