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I think another point all this illustrates is that this is a technically demanding sport. Or to put it in other terms, every time we go diving, we are one mistake/dumb choice away from sudden death. What burns me about the commentary by a certain person best left unnamed is that it is ethically and morally unconscionable for a physician to gloat about a death, any death, any time, under any circumstances. Wendell Trey wrote: > > All, does anyone want to take the count of people killed in TDI or IANTD > classes doing deep air or other stupid things ? Does anyone want to take the > count of dead IANTD and TDI instructors who did stupid things ? Does anyone > want to then tell us that these stupid things are a good idea. Does anyone > want to get on here and make a coherent argument against DIR? It is not > possible. > > Now the strokes are really reaching. Berman was theirs in diving, ours as a > friend who worked with some of my guys when they were kids in college at > Ginnie Springs. He is a clear case of non DIR, a clear example that even a > good diver is not immune from the consequences of doing stupid things. > Hopefully his death will influence many others not to do these things, as it > otherwise is nothing but a huge waste. > > "Wolvo" ( Wolov, actually ) was Navy doctor and aviator who in fact was a > wonderful guy who provided us with all kinds of medical information from a > source we otherwise would not have had access to. I liked Wolov, JJ liked > Wolov, but Wolov needed more diving time with mentors before he ran off all > over the world diving. He died at Scapa Flow doing something really > ridiculous, he jumped overboard after a dive to retrieve his prescription > mask with little of no gas left in his tank, and he drowned. > > Bobby McGuire was a Marine Corps Captain and a great guy, as tough as they > come. Bobby was just starting to learn our way of doing things and I felt he > would be a great contributor to WKPP, but then he not only went and violated > Rule Number One, he dove unmarked bottles and ended up toxing. He died > before we could ever make use of his talents in the WKPP. His big sin was > that his father and brother wanted to do diving , too, so he made sure they > had the properly marked bottles, and he took the unmarked ones. Bobby was > way too tough for anyone who could not walk in his shoes to be on here > talking about him, Berman was way too nice of a guy for the same. Wolov was > a doctor who acted like a doctor and does not need to be talked about by > anyone who has not made his contribution to this world. > > What our detractors need to look at is the 15,000 man dive hours of long > range deep mixed gas cave exploration diving over the time I have run the > WKPP, and at the record and records that go with that, at the contribution > we have made to the knowledge base, at the example we have set in the face > of massive embedded opposition from the air and bullshit crowd, the not for > profit training agency JJ set up, the tapes and books he and I have put out, > the TV shoes, and the massive influence we have had on a sport that was > otherwise going no place fast, and then look at the pitiful alternative . > Tell me I am wrong and make your case, or take a seat. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hans Petter Roverud [mailto:proverud@on*.no*] > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 1:34 AM > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > Subject: RE: FW: Steve Berman > > At 07:41 PM 5/18/01 -0700, Michael J. Black wrote: > >Funny how you Doing-It-Rightists keep lying and denying, and it helps > >your cause so much when you disagree among yourselves. Friends and > >students of Berman's seem to think he was a GUE instructor who dived > >DIR, and helped in the past with the WKPP. Next thing you know, you'll > >be calling him a "stroke," "barnyard stupid." And what's the "body count" > >for you guys now...McGuirre, Wolvo, Berman, who else? MJB > > For the sake of argument, let's say he was a GUE instructor. He helped in > the past with the WKPP. For all I know he may have dived DIR. > Then he makes his last dive solo, runs out of gas and dies. That sounds > more like a GUE instructor who (possibly) used to dive DIR to me. > If a member of a group ignores the guidelines of his group and pays the > ultimate price, what does this implicate: 1) That the guidelines were wrong > or 2) That this person made a fatal mistake ignoring them? What you need > for your case is a diver diving according to DIR protocol as his accident > occurs. "Dived DIR" (in the past) is more than a bit like "used to wear a > parachute". > > Hans > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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