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From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
To: "Michael J. Black" <mjblackmd@ya*.co*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: RE: FW: Steve Berman
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 07:46:22 -0400
Mike , show me the better way. Go ahead, we are all listening. You yapping
about people is not diving. Show me a better way to dive, show me your
methods and systems.

Nobody will get on here who knew Berman and say anything different than what
JJ and I already said.

I said , Berman came out to help a couple of times years ago, and decided he
did not want to do that kind of diving , and he did not want to do it my way
, and he did not want to do it my way off the field, or we could have used
him . Back then JJ and Exley and I did all the setups , cleanups and Gavin
and I did all the dives. Now we have over 100 people, so we no longer try to
change anyone to fit our methods, we go with those who want to do it our
way, and that goes for GUE as well.

As I said, Mike, if I catch any WKPP member violating my rules on or off the
field, they are gone , and if JJ catches any GUE instructor not doing what
he wants, they are gone. How much clearer can it get, Mike?

And maybe you can tell me what difference it makes anyway. If somebody does
something stupid, I will always say it was stupid. Everyone can see Berman's
dying for nothing is not the way to go. This is an interesting case simply
because Berman was such a long time diver and was skillful. On the other
hand there are a ton of can't walk and chew gum cases out there who think
solo diving is a good idea. Hopefully he set that record straight. Hopefully
Sheck set the record straight on diving with morons and diving deep air -
his 30 years of cave diving got extinguished in one bad move. Berman , Exley
and McGuire were a lot tougher than 99% of the divers in the world. They are
dead. They did not do it right.

Let me point one more thing out to all you strokes: the reason I get access
everywhere? Those who let me dive know I will not let the Exleys dive air,
the Bermans dive solo, or the McGuire's dive bottles not properly marked,
and that is why I have the keys to the kingdom and the assholes who
constantly fight me get to dive at Ginnie. I can enforce it with my
authority, and I will set that example, and so will everyone around me or
they will not be around me for long. Again, you tell me the better way.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael J. Black [mailto:mjblackmd@ya*.co*]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 10:41 PM
To: Trey; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: FW: Steve Berman


Funny how you Doing-It-Rightists keep lying and denying, and it helps
your cause so much when you disagree among yourselves.  Friends and
students of Berman's seem to think he was a GUE instructor who dived
DIR, and helped in the past with the WKPP.  Next thing you know, you'll
be calling him a "stroke," "barnyard stupid."  And what's the "body count"
for you guys now...McGuirre, Wolvo, Berman, who else?  MJB

--- Trey <trey@ne*.co*> wrote:
>
>
> Mike, you believe what you want, but as usual, you are spreading lies that
> some bitter person put in your ear. You have no idea who these people are
or
> what you are talking about anyway, and there is not a single person on
here
> who does not recognize that.
>
> It is as we said.
>
> Steve Berman was not a GUE instructor.  In remembering back when Steve did
> help with the WKPP, it was when Exley was still alive, so figure out how
> long ago that was. He showed up a couple of times, and I tried to get him
to
> run with the ball, but he told me that it was just not for him.
>
> Jarrod's way with GUE was not for him either so he did not become a GUE
> instructor, which he easily could have had he chosen to follow the path we
> follow, on and off the field. He did not.  Where might he be now if he
were
> a GUE instructor?
>
> As I said, my players conduct their diving DIR on and of the field or I ax
> them, Jarrod's instructors display the GUE example or he axes them. End of
> story.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael J. Black [mailto:mjblackmd@ya*.co*]
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 12:09 AM
> To: Aquanaut Mail
> Subject: Re: FW: Steve Berman
>
>
> Who do you wanna believe?
>
> To:  techdiver@aquanaut.com
> From:  trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
> Subject:  RE:  Ginnie Fatality
> Date:  Fri, 11 May 2001, 07:52:52 - 0400
>
> "He (Berman) did help with WKPP a while back, but like you (Black), he
> thought I was a huge asshole and did not want to do it my way."
>
> To:  quest@gu*.co*
> From:  JJ@gu*.co* (Jarrod Jablonski)
> Subject:  Steve Berman
> Date:  Wed, 16 May 2001 12:38:10 - 0400
>
> "Steve (Berman) had nothing to do with the WKPP or with GUE."
>
> For the record, Berman was a GUE instructor who had helped in the past
> with the WKPP.  He dived DIR, and died violating the DIR principle of
> no solo diving.  And for the record, you can count on more lies, denials,
> hypocrisy, and death, from the Doing-It-Rightists.
>
> MJB
>
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