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Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:55:26 +0200
From: mat.voss@t-*.de* (Matthias Voss)
Organization: Harry Haller Memorial Fund
To: Thom Hadfield <thom.hadfield@ho*.co*>
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Re. Deco diving
You will  probably spend a lot more time to get deco mixes, or  gas
mixes, than these gases will save in terms of decompression, other
concerns even let aside.

Dives to this depth are done hundredwise a day in the mediterranean,
South France.
Though, there is a difference, the water is warm there ( 14 centigrade
at the bottom), and viz ususually is in between 35 to 10 m.
And legislation predicts that only CMAS *** minimum certified divers may
enter these depth. Decompresion training and experience at this level is
standard.
I have experienced quite a few divers who did not respond in a way
proper to conduct their obvious tasks at this depth.

For you to begin such dive, you should ask yourself some question, I
mean, should be able to answer them.

How do you get narced?
You should be able to calculate /read tables at depth/ read/ understand 
the gauges, the compass, write completely understandable wetnotes,
calculate easy stuff, like air consumption/ time to remain till rule of
thirds call for ascent.

How do you get along, decowise?
George Irvine gave a very true concept, fascinating in its minimalism,
about deco. " If I'm not ready to rock after the dive, something is
wrong with the decompression scheme" or like that.  


According to your plan, it will work, but I feel the begin of the deep
stops is unnecessary at this depth as well as interfering with the dive
reality.
You will obviously go down deepest first, after checking the downlines
attachment points, memorizing its depth, direction of current, and  then
follow a gradually upward slope, until you reach a point from which you
are sure to reach the ascent line without having to go down again. All
this time you will have accounted as bottom time at max depth, using a
table ( hopefully not US Navy). So your next deco stop is above  the
depth at which you  join the ascent line.

In spite of existing merchandized table , from experience I would use a
first stop at 27 m 0.5 min, 21 m 0.5min , 18m 1 min, 15 m 1min, 12m
1min, 9 m 2 min, 6 m 6min, 3m 9-11 min.
ascent speed 10m/min.
But your milage may vary.


The french Marine Nationale 1991 table would give 
3min at 6m, 15 min at 3 m, 17m/min

a common german Bühlmann/ Hahn table( DECO 1992/2 would give 
1 min at 12m 
3 min at 9m
6 min at 6m
13 min at 3m, at 10 m /min

US Navy 
2 min at 6m
7 min at 3m, at 18m/min

Comex professional ( 1974):
1 min at 9m
4 min at 6m
13 min at 3m, 15 m/min

The old O - 250 m Bühlmann table
3min at 9m
4 min at 6m
9 min at 3 m, 10m/min

All assuming air as a breathing gas.

Thom Hadfield schrieb:
> 
> Pretty much correct. However to awnser why I donot use other mixes to deco
> on. I might. However there will be limited space on the boat with all of the
> others divers and I will probably not be aboe to get mixes in the general
> area so I was going to try and keep the same % mix for all of my dives that
> weekend. with MOD of 140 the entire weekend.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matthias Voss" <mat.voss@t-*.de*>
> To: "Manos Manoli" <cytech@ma*.co*.cy*>
> Cc: "Thom Hadfield" <thom.hadfield@ho*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>;
> "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 5:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Re. Deco diving
> 
> > Manos,
> > I interpreted Thom post like that :
> > He wants to go to max 140ft, that is 43 m.
> > He wants to use a 25/75 O2 / N2 mix,
> > and decompress followiing the given scheme, which he says was derived
> > from calculating normal air, so to have an extra bit of conservatism.
> >
> > Thom, is that right ?
> > regards
> > Matthias
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