Dear  Capt.  JT,  as  Jens  observed, I, for one, appreciate your
honest  replies  and way of exposing your diving approaches, too.
You  have  defined yourself as a diver having fun, seeing no need
to    formalize   your   approaches/ideas.  Dont  be  afraid  of
criticism which is productive.

However,  I  appreciate,  as  well,  the efforts of the DIR-teams
because  they  are  developing  a  *very important framework* for
diving (if you cannt realize this because your anima-aversion for
G.  Irvine,  you will not be able to learn a lot of useful things
from  these guys). All approaches have a relative value. However,
the  development  of a framework (any framework) takes much time,
efforts  and  money.  Also,  many of these (DIR) guys are risking
their  lives  being  "guinea pigs" for testing and development of
decompression  models  and  procedures,  gas  mixes,  testing  of
equipment,  data  sampling, etc. As I see it, all of that work is
of  __great  instrinsic value__: they are setting up something (a
"system")  from  which  everyone  may benefit. That's because the
development  of  a  framework  goes  well  beyond the mere act of
diving  and  having  fun,  it  is  formalized  and  it may accept
criticism   (from  scientists,  doctors,  authorities  and  other
divers)   and   it   will   evolve-trough-criticism  and  logical
inference.

cheers,

aldo.solari@ho*.se*
www.ccbb.ulpgc.es/fish-ecology/solaris
___

captjt@mi*.co*

CJ> First,  lets make something clear, when doing these very deep
CJ> dives  several things must take place before the dive is even
CJ> considered  and  they  have  nothing  to  do with any kind of
CJ> "system". For starters you must have a solid reason for doing
CJ> the  dive,  to  merely dive to a very deep depth is nonsense.
CJ> Second,  to do the dive without a dive buddy or support group
CJ> is  crazy.  Then you have to find a Capt who has enough faith
CJ> in  you  to take you to the dive site. On top of those things
CJ> you  must  have  the experience and lots of it at a shallower
CJ> depth  and  must be mentally tested, meaning if you can't get
CJ> it  done at 200ft(and that means all the time) what makes you
CJ> think  300ft  and deeper will be any easier. Somebody must be
CJ> in charge, everyone else must agree on what he says, but also
CJ> strong  enough  to go against that person should he be wrong.
CJ> KNOW  your  own  limits.  Diving is not that hard, we are not
CJ> creating  new  dive  tables,  any  new  mixes,  or any of the
CJ> cutting  edge stuff. We like to dive/wreck dive, cut and dry.
CJ> The  thrill  I  get  from  diving deep wrecks and new unknown
CJ> wrecks  I  cannot  describe. For diving very deep wrecks your
CJ> asking  for  a system, no system exists that I know of, there
CJ> are  better ways to do it, but there is no fast way, everyone
CJ> looks  to cut corners on experience to get to the next level,
CJ> why, your cheating yourself out of half the fun.


>>This  would enable us to learn out of your assumptions/experience
>>and  you  might  (possibly)  improve  your  approach  through the
>>criticism of other senior divers.

CJ> Lets be real here, criticism is all you get on this list, the
CJ> only  guys  I know who actually do these kinds of dives don't
CJ> post,  there  is no gain in it for them. Most of the guys who
CJ> post on here are so intimidated by Trey they won't go against
CJ> him and usually end up supporting him because they don't have
CJ> the  experience  or  skill  to beat him in a debate, the ones
CJ> that  can  beat  him  won't  stoop as low as he does to win a
CJ> debate.  I  am an average diver, I will not engage in debates
CJ> that  are  out of my knowledge range, I'm not trying to solve
CJ> any  secrets to decompression, I'm not experimenting with any
CJ> new  gas. I'm diving and having a lot of fun. My contribution
CJ> to  diving  is  first hand honest answers, there are very few
CJ> perfect  dives,  that's when everything goes exactly to plan,
CJ> on   most  dives  there  is  always  something  that  happens
CJ> unexpectedly.  The  open  ocean  is a very unforgiving place,
CJ> things  can  change  in  an instance, it may be something you
CJ> did,  your  buddy,  mother  nature,  gear failure, it doesn't
CJ> matter  what or how. How you handle that change can result in
CJ> a life or death scenario. Basic rules sit the tone of a dive.

....


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