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--_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_5079920=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --Original Message Text--- I don't recall Bill Nadeau challenging JJ on his credibility, but I defi= nitely recall his ridiculous gear and diving practices. Tom Mount has c= alled Nadeau "one of his best", if that tells you anything. Listening to David Sawatzky talk= about cave diving in Devil's Bath with Nadeau was saddening - Sawatzky = is a really good guy, and it's a shame to see him going down that road. -Sean From: Dave Grey Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:30:56 -0700 There is a huge concentration of deep air,independent doubles,IANTD cowb= oys on Vancouver Island.There seem to be fatalities on a regular annual = basis there. I guess this is Nadeau's legacy. Was he not the expert who publicly=FFquestioned Jablonski's "=FFcave div= ing knowledge" at that IANTD thing in Nanaimo last September ??? Later, =FF =FF ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott To: Techlist ; George Irvine Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 7:37 AM Subject: RE: Isolating Manifold Question George, =FF Bill Nadeau (spelling?)=FFwas teaching shit like this=FFto=FFa bunch of=FF= the IANTD victims he left here in the PNW.=FFThe upside down isolator bu= llshit, or they have no isolator at all, just a cross bar. They also do shit like stuffed=FFlong= hoses, Trashpaks, double OMS 66's,=FFOMS steel 46 bottles for stages, A= L30 pony bottles hard mounted=FFbetween the dubs, etc. =FF The reasons (this is the stone truth, direct quotes) provided by his stu= dents: =FF "I was taught in life guards school to never have anything around=FFmy n= eck"=FFas reason for stuffing the long hose. =FF "You're getting the hose I give you or nothing at all." when asked about= how to get to the backup=FFreg in a hurry. =FF "Don't need one, that's for cave divers." when asked about no isolator =FF "So the guy at the fill station wont mess with it and turn it off for me= .." when asked about the upside down isolator knob. =FF You can instantly ID any of Nadeau's=FFor Weinberg's victims from across= the parking lot. Big ass IANTD stickers on everything. However, to tell= what the actual mix in the bottles is,=FFyou have to read what was written with a ball point= pen in a small space on the huge IANTD stickers. =FF Ask JJ how they got treated when he and Andrew went to Canada for the Te= chnical Diving conference (IANTD circle jerk). =FF Soon as they (the local IANTD cadre)=FFheard you guys were coming to the= Scuba festival, they ran like scalded dogs. Within 1/2 hour of my posts= that you guys were=FFcoming, the phone started ringing at the organizers desk, warning= of impending doom if you guys were "allowed" to attend. =FF I wonder why they dont want to be seen on the same lawn with you guys? (= rhetorical)=FF =FF Scott -----Original Message----- From: George Irvine [mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:00 AM To: David E. Smith; David Sweetin Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: Re: Isolating Manifold Question Dave, now that you have put out this piece of complete bullshit and in y= our little mind successfully obfuscated the realities that actually go into the thinking of manifold operation u= nderwater in diving ( and there is no way you do jack shit in diving ), why don't you go ahead an entertain us all= by telling us what kind of blithering idiot turns the isolator knob upside down? Since you are such a big "expert" o= n valves, maybe you can tell us all what this accomplishes, besides acting as a visible "tip of the iceberg"= warning to anyone who sees you that you are a complete stroke who has no clue and is likely to act in a bad = situation just as one could expect by this kind of=FFrabbits foot thinking? --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_5079920=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <FONT SIZE=3D"1" POINTSIZE=3D"8" DEFAULT=3D"SIZE"><FONT FACE=3D"MS Sans = Serif" DEFAULT=3D"FACE">--Original Message Text---<BR> <FONT SIZE=3D"2" POINTSIZE=3D"10">I don't recall Bill Nadeau challenging= JJ on his credibility, but I definitely recall his ridiculous gear and = diving practices. Tom Mount has called Nadeau "one of his best", if tha= t tells you anything. Listening to David Sawatzky talk about cave divin= g in Devil's Bath with Nadeau was saddening - Sawatzky is a really good = guy, and it's a shame to see him going down that road.<BR> <BR> -Sean<BR> <B><FONT SIZE=3D"1" POINTSIZE=3D"8" DEFAULT=3D"SIZE"><BR> <BR> From:</B> Dave Grey<BR> <B>Date:</B> Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:30:56 -0700<BR> <BR> <FONT SIZE=3D"2" POINTSIZE=3D"10">There is a huge concentration of deep = air,independent doubles,IANTD cowboys on Vancouver Island.There seem to = be fatalities on a regular annual basis there.<FONT SIZE=3D"1" POINTSIZE= =3D"8" DEFAULT=3D"SIZE"><BR> <FONT SIZE=3D"2" POINTSIZE=3D"10">I guess this is Nadeau's legacy.<FONT = SIZE=3D"1" POINTSIZE=3D"8" DEFAULT=3D"SIZE"><BR> <FONT SIZE=3D"2" POINTSIZE=3D"10">Was he not the expert who publiclyJabl= onski's "diving knowledge" at that IANTD thing in Nanaimo last September= ???<FONT SIZE=3D"1" POINTSIZE=3D"8" DEFAULT=3D"SIZE"><BR> <FONT SIZE=3D"2" POINTSIZE=3D"10">Later,<FONT SIZE=3D"1" POINTSIZE=3D"8"= DEFAULT=3D"SIZE"><BR> <BR> <BR> ----- Original Message ----- <BR> <B>From:</B> Scott<FONT COLOR=3D000000 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"> <BR> <B>To:</B> Techlist ; George Irvine <BR> <B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 19, 2001 7:37 AM<BR> <B>Subject:</B> RE: Isolating Manifold Question<BR> <BR> <BR> <FONT COLOR=3D0000ff><FONT SIZE=3D"2" POINTSIZE=3D"10"><FONT FACE=3D"Tah= oma">George,<FONT COLOR=3D000000 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"><FONT SIZE=3D"1" POIN= TSIZE=3D"8" DEFAULT=3D"SIZE"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><BR> <BR> <FONT COLOR=3D0000ff><FONT SIZE=3D"2" POINTSIZE=3D"10"><FONT FACE=3D"Tah= oma">Bill Nadeau (spelling?)teaching shit like thisbunch ofIANTD victims= he left here in the PNW.upside down isolator bullshit, or they have no = isolator at all, just a cross bar. They also do shit like stuffedhoses, = Trashpaks, double OMS 66's,steel 46 bottles for stages, AL30 pony bottle= s hard mountedthe dubs, etc. <FONT COLOR=3D000000 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"><FON= T SIZE=3D"1" POINTSIZE=3D"8" DEFAULT=3D"SIZE"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><BR> <BR> <FONT COLOR=3D0000ff><FONT SIZE=3D"2" POINTSIZE=3D"10"><FONT FACE=3D"Tah= oma">The reasons (this is the stone truth, direct quotes) provided by hi= s students:<FONT COLOR=3D000000 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"><FONT SIZE=3D"1" POINT= SIZE=3D"8" DEFAULT=3D"SIZE"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><BR> <BR> <FONT COLOR=3D0000ff><FONT SIZE=3D"2" POINTSIZE=3D"10"><FONT FACE=3D"Tah= oma">"I was taught in life guards school to never have anything aroundne= ck"reason for stuffing the long hose.<FONT COLOR=3D000000 DEFAULT=3D"COL= OR"><FONT SIZE=3D"1" POINTSIZE=3D"8" DEFAULT=3D"SIZE"><FONT FACE=3D"Aria= l"><BR> <BR> <FONT COLOR=3D0000ff><FONT SIZE=3D"2" POINTSIZE=3D"10"><FONT FACE=3D"Tah= oma">"You're getting the hose I give you or nothing at all." when asked = about how to get to the backupin a hurry.<FONT COLOR=3D000000 DEFAULT=3D= "COLOR"><FONT SIZE=3D"1" POINTSIZE=3D"8" DEFAULT=3D"SIZE"><FONT FACE=3D"= Arial"><BR> <BR> <FONT COLOR=3D0000ff><FONT SIZE=3D"2" POINTSIZE=3D"10"><FONT FACE=3D"Tah= oma">"Don't need one, that's for cave divers." when asked about no isola= tor<FONT COLOR=3D000000 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"><FONT SIZE=3D"1" POINTSIZE=3D"= 8" DEFAULT=3D"SIZE"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><BR> <BR> <FONT COLOR=3D0000ff><FONT SIZE=3D"2" POINTSIZE=3D"10"><FONT FACE=3D"Tah= oma">"So the guy at the fill station wont mess with it and turn it off f= or me." when asked about the upside down isolator knob.<FONT COLOR=3D000= 000 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"><FONT SIZE=3D"1" POINTSIZE=3D"8" DEFAULT=3D"SIZE">= <FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><BR> <BR> <FONT COLOR=3D0000ff><FONT SIZE=3D"2" POINTSIZE=3D"10"><FONT FACE=3D"Tah= oma">You can instantly ID any of Nadeau'sWeinberg's victims from across = the parking lot. Big ass IANTD stickers on everything. However, to tell = what the actual mix in the bottles is,have to read what was written with= a ball point pen in a small space on the huge IANTD stickers.<FONT COLO= R=3D000000 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"><FONT SIZE=3D"1" POINTSIZE=3D"8" DEFAULT=3D= "SIZE"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><BR> <BR> <FONT COLOR=3D0000ff><FONT SIZE=3D"2" POINTSIZE=3D"10"><FONT FACE=3D"Tah= oma">Ask JJ how they got treated when he and Andrew went to Canada for t= he Technical Diving conference (IANTD circle jerk).<FONT COLOR=3D000000 = DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"><FONT SIZE=3D"1" POINTSIZE=3D"8" DEFAULT=3D"SIZE"><FON= T FACE=3D"Arial"><BR> <BR> <FONT COLOR=3D0000ff><FONT SIZE=3D"2" POINTSIZE=3D"10"><FONT FACE=3D"Tah= oma">Soon as they (the local IANTD cadre)you guys were coming to the Scu= ba festival, they ran like scalded dogs. Within 1/2 hour of my posts tha= t you guys werethe phone started ringing at the organizers desk, warning= of impending doom if you guys were "allowed" to attend.<FONT COLOR=3D00= 0000 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"><FONT SIZE=3D"1" POINTSIZE=3D"8" DEFAULT=3D"SIZE"= ><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><BR> <BR> <FONT COLOR=3D0000ff><FONT SIZE=3D"2" POINTSIZE=3D"10"><FONT FACE=3D"Tah= oma">I wonder why they dont want to be seen on the same lawn with you gu= ys? (rhetorical) <FONT COLOR=3D000000 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"><FONT SIZE=3D= "1" POINTSIZE=3D"8" DEFAULT=3D"SIZE"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><BR> <BR> <FONT COLOR=3D0000ff><FONT SIZE=3D"2" POINTSIZE=3D"10"><FONT FACE=3D"Tah= oma">Scott<FONT COLOR=3D000000 DEFAULT=3D"COLOR"><FONT SIZE=3D"1" POINTS= IZE=3D"8" DEFAULT=3D"SIZE"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><BR> <FONT FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif" DEFAULT=3D"FACE"><BR> <FONT SIZE=3D"2" POINTSIZE=3D"10"><FONT FACE=3D"Tahoma">-----Original Me= ssage-----<BR> <B>From:</B> George Irvine [mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*]<BR> <B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:00 AM<BR> <B>To:</B> David E. Smith; David Sweetin<BR> <B>Cc:</B> techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR> <B>Subject:</B> Re: Isolating Manifold Question<BR> <BR> <FONT SIZE=3D"1" POINTSIZE=3D"8" DEFAULT=3D"SIZE"><FONT FACE=3D"MS Sans = Serif" DEFAULT=3D"FACE"><BR> <FONT SIZE=3D"4" POINTSIZE=3D"14">Dave, now that you have put out this p= iece of complete bullshit and in your little mind successfully obfuscate= d the realities that actually go into the thinking of manifold operation= underwater in diving ( and there is no way you do jack shit in diving )= , why don't you go ahead an entertain us all by telling us what kind of = blithering idiot turns the isolator knob upside down? Since you are such= a big "expert" on valves, maybe you can tell us all what this accomplis= hes, besides acting as a visible "tip of the iceberg" warning to anyone = who sees you that you are a complete stroke who has no clue and is likel= y to act in a bad situation just as one could expect by this kind offoot= thinking? <FONT SIZE=3D"1" POINTSIZE=3D"8" DEFAULT=3D"SIZE"><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </HTML> --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_5079920=_=_=_-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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