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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0165_01C0C921.82E7B1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rebuttal in red below. dsmith218@ho*.co* ICQ# 25409809 Moderation is for the poor, and the healthy...of which I am neither. - Polver -----Original Message----- From: Harry, Quinn F [mailto:quinn.f.harry@lm*.co*] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:27 AM To: techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: RE: A Stroke is a stroke was RE: Isolating Manifold Question David Smith wrote: (on 4/16) > Why don't you tell me what part of my post is not factual > or clearly indicated as opinion. Meanwhile, I will forget > your errors in pointing out the "obvious". (then again on 4/18) > When someone uses nonsense to support an opinion > (even a good one) it brings discredit to the opinion. If > people can't handle their supporting arguments or > alleged facts getting some scrutiny...then don't offer them. > I will ask you one last time. Show anything in any of my > previous posts that are not facts or indicated as opinion. Okay Mr. Smith, here is why you and your opinion are discredited, by your own standard�. (from 4/16) > So as I go on and on....Let me state one more time what > I CONSIDER to be fact...whether it is relevant to the main issue or not. > A partially open valve will act like an open valve. This is NOT fact. A partially opened valve will cause flow restriction. A flow restricted valve, by definition, is not �acting like an open valve�. A partially open valve (even if it is restricted, which it is not necessarily so (see my post to David Sweeten on 4/17 for the long version)) will allow flow. Only a fully shut valve will not allow flow. So therefore, a partially open valve is more like an open valve than a shut valve. > A partially open valve will be more easily shut (whether > intentionally or not). This is NOT fact � it is conjecture based on false assumption. �Easily� does not offer a de facto standard or measured amount of energy required to effect a valve closure, either by revolutions, torque, or psi. Ok. You are correct on the part that "easily" does not offer a standard. That does not make it conjecture or based on false assumption, however. I will clarify. A partially open valve can be shut more quickly. (Fewer turns) > I should notice an inadvertently shut isolator by monitoring my SPG. Yes you should notice, but again, not FACT � mere speculation. Don�t should on yourself. I don't see how you can agree with the statement that you SHOULD know... and then say it is speculation. Is it 100% foolproof that one would notice? No...But that is what training and experience is for, right? So..is it a FACT? I don't know. But I think we agree you should notice. > If I am too stupid to open my isolator before mixing/filling, > then that is Darwin at work. Opinion, not fact. You may have me here. Although in the past I wrote "if...you probably shouldn't..." This time it might not be CLEARLY indicated as opinion. But I guess that would only be if anyone actually knew what Darwin was up to these days. Then, Mr. Smith, you go on to say �. > �(clip) � Let us not dispute fact with opinion and state it as a fact. You did this very thing above! So � what does that tell us? Darwin at work! (So maybe your last statement was fact). Regards, Quinn Quinn, Although I don't agree or yield to all your arguments...At least you addressed the statements I actually made (for the most part). That is more than most have done. Applause. David E. Smith -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. ------=_NextPart_000_0165_01C0C921.82E7B1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE></TITLE> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3DWindows-1252" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.3019.2500" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3DTahoma>Rebuttal in red = below.<BR><BR></FONT> <P><FONT size=3D2>dsmith218@ho*.co*<BR>ICQ# 25409809<BR><BR>Moderation = is for the=20 poor, and the healthy...of which I am neither. -=20 Polver<BR> <BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: = Harry, Quinn=20 F [<A=20 href=3D"mailto:quinn.f.harry@lm*.co*">mailto:quinn.f.harry@lmco.com</A>]= <BR>Sent:=20 Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:27 AM<BR>To: = techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR>Subject: RE:=20 A Stroke is a stroke was RE: Isolating Manifold = Question<BR><BR><BR>David Smith=20 wrote:<BR>(on 4/16)<BR>> Why don't you tell me what part of my = post is=20 not factual<BR>> or clearly indicated as opinion. =20 Meanwhile, I will forget<BR>> your errors in pointing out the=20 "obvious".<BR><BR>(then again on 4/18)<BR>> When someone uses = nonsense=20 to support an opinion<BR>> (even a good one) it brings = discredit to the=20 opinion. If<BR>> people can't handle their supporting = arguments=20 or<BR>> alleged facts getting some scrutiny...then don't offer=20 them.<BR>> I will ask you one last time. Show anything in = any of=20 my<BR>> previous posts that are not facts or indicated as=20 opinion.<BR><BR><BR>Okay Mr. Smith, here is why you and your opinion are = discredited, by your<BR>own standard=85.<BR><BR>(from 4/16)<BR>> So = as I go on=20 and on....Let me state one more time what<BR>> I CONSIDER to be = fact...whether it is relevant to the main issue or not.<BR>> A = partially open=20 valve will act like an open valve.<BR><BR>This is NOT fact. A = partially=20 opened valve will cause flow restriction. A<BR>flow restricted valve, by = definition, is not =93acting like an open valve=94.</FONT></P> <DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3DTahoma>A partially open valve (even if = it is=20 restricted, which it is</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3DTahoma>not necessarily so (see my post = to David=20 Sweeten on 4/17</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000><FONT face=3DTahoma>for the long version)) = will allow=20 flo</FONT><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D3>w. = Only a fully=20 shut</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3DTahoma>valve will not allow = flow. So=20 therefore, a partially open</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3DTahoma>valve is more like an open = valve than a=20 shut valve.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DTahoma></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma>> A partially = open valve=20 will be more easily shut (whether<BR>> intentionally or = not).<BR><BR>This is=20 NOT fact =96 it is conjecture based on false assumption. = =91Easily=92<BR>does=20 not offer a de facto standard or measured amount of energy required = to<BR>effect=20 a valve closure, either by revolutions, torque, or = psi.</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DTahoma></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3DTahoma>Ok. You are correct on = the part that=20 "easily" does not</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3DTahoma>offer a standard. That = does not make=20 it conjecture or</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3DTahoma>based on false assumption, = however. I=20 will clarify.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3DTahoma>A partially open valve = can be shut=20 more quickly.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3DTahoma>(Fewer turns)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><BR><BR>> I = should notice=20 an inadvertently shut isolator by monitoring my SPG.<BR><BR>Yes you = should=20 notice, but again, not FACT =96 mere speculation. Don=92t = should<BR>on=20 yourself. </FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DTahoma></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><FONT = color=3D#ff0000>I don't=20 see how you can agree with the statement that you SHOULD=20 know...</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><FONT = color=3D#ff0000>and then=20 say it is speculation. Is it 100% foolproof that one would=20 notice?</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><FONT = color=3D#ff0000>No...But=20 that is what training and experience is for, right? So..is it a=20 FACT?</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3DTahoma size=3D2>I don't know. = But I think we=20 agree you should notice.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DTahoma></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma>> If I am too = stupid to=20 open my isolator before mixing/filling,<BR>> then that is Darwin at=20 work.<BR><BR>Opinion, not fact.<BR></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3DTahoma>You may have me here. = Although in the=20 past I wrote "if...you probably</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3DTahoma>shouldn't..." This time = it might not=20 be CLEARLY indicated as opinion.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3DTahoma>But I guess that would only be = if anyone=20 actually knew what Darwin</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3DTahoma>was up to these = days.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><BR>Then, Mr. = Smith, you go on=20 to say =85.<BR><BR>> =85(clip) =85 Let us not dispute fact with = opinion and=20 state it as a fact.<BR><BR>You did this very thing above! So = =85 what=20 does that tell us? Darwin at<BR>work! (So maybe your last = statement was=20 fact). <BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Quinn</FONT></FONT></DI V> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DTahoma></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><FONT=20 color=3D#ff0000>Quinn,</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><FONT=20 color=3D#ff0000> Although I don't agree or yield to all your = arguments...At least you addressed the</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><FONT = color=3D#ff0000>statements=20 I actually made (for the most part). That is more than most=20 have</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><FONT=20 color=3D#ff0000>done. Applause.</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff = face=3DTahoma></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><FONT = color=3D#ff0000>David E.=20 Smith</FONT><BR>--<BR>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to=20 `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.<BR>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to=20 `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.<BR></DIV></FONT></FONT></BODY>& lt;/HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0165_01C0C921.82E7B1A0-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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