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Dave, are you telling me I am not smart enough to gas dive? Give it a rest,
pal, you have no earthly clue. NONE. Take a seat. You don't get it and
neither does IANTD, obviously. Making a mixing error or a valve setting
error is a death sentence for diver and or buddy, and is a function of doing
stupid things and following mindless practices like this that have no
purpose what so ever other than to satisfy some ridiculous paranoia.
This stupidity has all downside and no upside.
-----Original Message-----
From: David E. Smith [mailto:dsmith218@ho*.co*]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 11:42 PM
To: Phi Le; adrian scothern; George Irvine; techdiver-aquanaut.com; Chris
Tibble
Subject: RE: Isolating Manifold Question
I would like to personally thank Phi Lee for being so smart as to catch
the "subtle" difference between 2 half turns and 1 full turn. I realize
that
I as a mere mortal can not turn a valve behind my head a complete
revolution
without dislocating my wrist. Apparently he can. Thank you for posting
yet another useful message in the never ending "concentrate on the
minutia instead of the content post" mentality.
Also, not related to Phi's post, It seems to me that the how one would
want
a manifold isolator positioned for mixing gas is COMPLETELY separate from
the
discussion of how you would want to position it for diving. If you are
not
intelligent to be able to position an isolator for mixing gas, you
probably shouldn't
be mixing in the first place!
dsmith218@ho*.co*
ICQ# 25409809
Moderation is for the poor, and the healthy...of which I am neither. -
Polver
-----Original Message-----
From: Phi Le [mailto:phi@sk*.be*]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 9:15 AM
To: adrian scothern; George Irvine; techdiver-aquanaut.com; Chris Tibble
Subject: RE: Isolating Manifold Question
Adrian,
Do you think it would work with 1 full turn, or must it be *exactly* 2
half turns ?
-Phi
-----Original Message-----
From: adrian scothern [mailto:ady@no*.fs*.co*.uk*]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:38 PM
To: adrian scothern; George Irvine; techdiver-aquanaut.com; Chris Tibble
Subject: Re: Isolating Manifold Question
Well, i've been diving with the ISO two half turns , since having a
twin set!, and proberley 3/4 OF Europe dive's The BullShit Paranoia Way, I'm
Sorry that i've No Idea about Diving OH DEMI GOD OF THE UNDERWATER WORLD
-- Original Message -----
From: George Irvine
To: adrian scothern ; Chris Tibble ; techdiver-aquanaut.com
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: Isolating Manifold Question
And what bullshit paranoia do you attribute the "two half turns "
to? This is the kind of mindless crap that gets people killed. I will say
right here and now that you can come up with no reason to do something that
stupid that makes any sense what so ever. Give it a try.
----- Original Message -----
From: adrian scothern
To: Chris Tibble ; techdiver-aquanaut.com
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: Isolating Manifold Question
I have the ISO two half turn's on, and I think the key is to ,
Know your kit inside out, I've sat in the dark , in full kit for over 30
hours ,every new bit of kit , i go through the same process, and Do know my
current config Insideout , the wife finds this highly amusing if/when she
walks in . same goe's for inwater training dives .
ady
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Tibble
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 6:28 PM
Subject: Isolating Manifold Question
Just a quickie. I'm just about to buy my first twinset with a
manifold. I've dived twins before, independents because of fiscal reasons
(I'm a poor student!) What I need to know is this. Some of the people I have
talked to who dive manis only open their iso knob about 1/2 a turn, whilst
others open it all the way. Thinking about it I can see advantages and
disadvantages to both:
All the way
Adv: No risk of turning wrong way
Disadv: May get stuck if turned on all way
Have to turn it 3 turns (or whatever)
Part way
Adv: V fast way of isolating
Disadv: Can turn it the wrong way
Not having it open all the way may limit
equalisation across the manifold.
Now any or all of this may be unmitigated rubbish, but it's just
what I was thinking about last night.
Any comments/suggestions as to how best to do it?
As this is my first post, go easy on me - I'm still learning!
Many thanks,
Chris
--
It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at
that man.
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN =
class=3D320572323-15042001>Dave,=20
are you telling me I am not smart enough to gas dive? Give it a rest, =
pal, you=20
have no earthly clue. NONE. Take a seat. You don't get it and neither =
does=20
IANTD, obviously. Making a mixing error or a valve setting error =
is a=20
death sentence for diver and or buddy, and is a function of doing =
stupid=20
things and following mindless practices like this that have no purpose =
what so=20
ever other than to satisfy some ridiculous paranoia. =
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D320572323-15042001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D4><SPAN =
class=3D320572323-15042001>This=20
stupidity has all downside and no upside.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D320572323-15042001></SPAN><FONT face=3DTahoma =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D320572323-15042001><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial=20
size=3D4> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D320572323-15042001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D320572323-15042001> </SPAN>-----Original =
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
David E. Smith [mailto:dsmith218@ho*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday,
April =
13,=20
2001 11:42 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Phi Le; adrian scothern; George Irvine;=20
techdiver-aquanaut.com; Chris Tibble<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Isolating =
Manifold=20
Question<BR><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"></FONT>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN =
class=3D480533203-14042001>I would=20
like to personally thank Phi Lee for being so smart as to=20
catch</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN =
class=3D480533203-14042001>the=20
"subtle" difference between 2 half turns and 1 full turn. I =
realize=20
that</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN =
class=3D480533203-14042001>I as a=20
mere mortal can not turn a valve behind my head a complete=20
revolution</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN =
class=3D480533203-14042001>without=20
dislocating my wrist. Apparently he can. Thank you for=20
posting</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN =
class=3D480533203-14042001>yet=20
another useful message in the never ending "concentrate on=20
the</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN =
class=3D480533203-14042001>minutia=20
instead of the content post" mentality.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN=20
class=3D480533203-14042001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN =
class=3D480533203-14042001>Also, not=20
related to Phi's post, It seems to me that the how one would=20
want</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN =
class=3D480533203-14042001>a manifold=20
isolator positioned for mixing gas is </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
face=3DTahoma><SPAN class=3D480533203-14042001>COMPLETELY separate =
from=20
the</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN =
class=3D480533203-14042001>discussion=20
of how you would want to position it for diving. If you are=20
not</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN=20
class=3D480533203-14042001>intelligent to be able to position an =
isolator for=20
mixing gas, you probably shouldn't</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DTahoma><SPAN =
class=3D480533203-14042001>be mixing=20
in the first place!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=3D4><FONT color=3D#808000=20
face=3D"Lucida Handwriting">dsmith218@ho*.co*<BR></FONT><FONT =
color=3D#000080=20
face=3DTahoma>ICQ# 25409809</FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3D"Monotype Corsiva" size=3D4>Moderation =
is for the=20
poor, and the healthy...of which I am neither. - Polver<BR> =
</FONT></P>
<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Phi Le=20
[mailto:phi@sk*.be*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 13, 2001 9:15=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> adrian scothern; George Irvine; =
techdiver-aquanaut.com; Chris=20
Tibble<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Isolating Manifold =
Question<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D530011313-13042001>Adrian,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D530011313-13042001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D530011313-13042001>Do=20
you think it would work with 1 full turn, or must it be *exactly* =
2 half=20
turns ?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D530011313-13042001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D530011313-13042001>-Phi</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> adrian
scothern=20
[mailto:ady@no*.fs*.co*.uk*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 13, =
2001=20
12:38 PM<BR><B>To:</B> adrian scothern; George Irvine;=20
techdiver-aquanaut.com; Chris Tibble<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
Isolating=20
Manifold Question<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well, i've been diving =
with the ISO=20
two half turns , since having a twin set!, and proberley 3/4 =
OF=20
Europe dive's The BullShit Paranoia Way, I'm Sorry that i've =
No Idea=20
about Diving OH DEMI GOD OF THE UNDERWATER WORLD =20
</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*" =
title=3Dkirvine@sa*.ne*>George=20
Irvine</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:ady@no*.fs*.co*.uk*"=20
title=3Dady@no*.fs*.co*.uk*>adrian scothern</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:chris.tibble@bt*.co*"=20
title=3Dchris.tibble@bt*.co*>Chris Tibble</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com"=20
title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com>techdiver-aquanaut.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 13,
=
2001 11:19=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Isolating =
Manifold=20
Question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>And what bullshit paranoia do you attribute =
the "two=20
half turns " to? This is the kind of mindless crap that =
gets=20
people killed. I will say right here and now that you can come =
up with=20
no reason to do something that stupid that makes any sense what =
so ever.=20
Give it a try.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:ady@no*.fs*.co*.uk*"=20
title=3Dady@no*.fs*.co*.uk*>adrian scothern</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:chris.tibble@bt*.co*"=20
title=3Dchris.tibble@bt*.co*>Chris Tibble</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com"=20
title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com>techdiver-aquanaut.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April
=
12, 2001=20
7:04 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re:
Isolating =
Manifold=20
Question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have the ISO two half =
turn's on,=20
and I think the key is to , <STRONG>Know your kit inside =
out</STRONG>,=20
I've sat in the dark , in full kit for over 30 hours ,every =
new bit of=20
kit , i go through the same process, and Do know =
my current=20
config Insideout , the wife finds this highly =
amusing=20
if/when she walks in . same goe's for inwater training dives=20
.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ady</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:chris.tibble@bt*.co*"=20
title=3Dchris.tibble@bt*.co*>Chris Tibble</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com"=20
title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com>techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday,
April =
12, 2001=20
6:28 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Isolating =
Manifold=20
Question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just a quickie. I'm just =
about to buy=20
my first twinset with a manifold. I've dived twins before,=20
independents because of fiscal reasons (I'm a poor student!) =
What I=20
need to know is this. Some of the people I have talked to =
who dive=20
manis only open their iso knob about 1/2 a turn, whilst =
others open=20
it all the way. Thinking about it I can see advantages and=20
disadvantages to both:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All the
way</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Adv: =20
No risk of turning wrong way</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Disadv: =
May get=20
stuck if turned on all way</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
=20
Have to turn it 3 =
turns (or=20
whatever)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Part way</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Adv: =20
V fast way of isolating</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Disadv: =
Can turn it=20
the wrong way </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2> &nbs=
p; Not=20
having it open all the way may limit equalisation across the =
manifold.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now any or all of this may =
be=20
unmitigated rubbish, but it's just what I was thinking about =
last=20
night.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any comments/suggestions as =
to how best=20
to do it?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As this is my first post, =
go easy on me=20
- I'm still learning!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Many
thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Chris</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>--</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It takes a big man to cry, =
but it takes=20
a bigger man to laugh at that man.<BR></DIV>
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