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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:38:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Isolating Manifold Question
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: Bruce Stewart <bruces@sh*.ne*.au*>, <RDecker388@ao*.co*>,
    
CC: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
If you follow your logic would it not be best to just keep the isolator
closed and then switch regulators as each tank empties? You are not
isolating if you leave it cracked. I know let's really isolate the tanks and
not have a manifold at all.

This is dangerous, stupid bullshit. You will die using this technique. Who
trained you? What program? How can you be this stupid? Do you actually dive?

   Jim
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> From: Bruce Stewart <bruces@sh*.ne*.au*>
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:17:47 +1000
> To: <RDecker388@ao*.co*>, rikard.lundgren@sw*.se*
> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> Subject: Re: Isolating Manifold Question
> 
> Bob,
> 
> The Iso valve is there for what its describes "Isolation", theres no
> point in having it fully open as it acheives nothing. If you need to
> isolate a cylinder and are losing gas then the quicker the better.
> Remember when this happens every ounce counts. It can be confusing
> only because the loss of gas is still happening from the failed system
> half. The failed side should still be breathed till exhausted if one can.
> Then hop onto what should be 50% of what you had when the failure
> occured. The iso should be just cracked open to allow equalisation and shut
> with the minimum of effort, come on think about this and get your head out
> of the rubbish the agencies print. It is not common sense to have the iso
> valve
> fully open. Common sense is being familiar with the on/off directions of
> all valves
> and your buddies valves as well.
> 
> Bruce
> 
> At 07:55 PM 4/14/01 -0400, RDecker388@ao*.co* wrote:
>> In a message dated 4/14/01 9:55:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> rikard.lundgren@sw*.se* writes:
>> 
>>>> As for the 3/4 of European divers using this method, divers taking there
>>> first steps into tech training , do so with IANTD or TDI,
>>>> , as shut downs are apart of syllabus, my instructor  & people i have
>>> listened to use this method, and as far as i a aware As the said
>>> organisations are wide spread >around Europe , i can only conclude that
>> they 
>>> are also shown this method.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I suspect this is more a matter of the individual instructor than what's
>> actually in the standards.  I've read both of these agency's standards at one
>> time or another and do not recall a single line about requiring paritially
>> open ISOs.
>> 
>> Common sense dictates that all valves need to be either all the way on or all
>> the way off.  In a stressful situation requiring a valve shut-down it would
>> be way too easy to turn the valve the wrong way if it's only partly open.
>> With a strict on/off approach, the valve is only going to turn one way......
>> THE RIGHT ONE!  Bare handed, gloves or mitts, shutting down a valve is not a
>> difficult matter with a little practice.
>> 
>> Bob D. 
>> www.SportDiverHQ.com
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