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From: "David E. Smith" <dsmith218@ho*.co*>
To: "Joel Silverstein" <JoelSilverstein@sn*.ne*>, <RDecker388@ao*.co*>,
    
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: RE: Isolating Manifold Question
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:11:40 -0400
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If it is not shut, it is open.

dsmith218@ho*.co*
ICQ# 25409809

Moderation is for the poor, and the healthy...of which I am neither. -
Polver


-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Silverstein [mailto:JoelSilverstein@sn*.ne*]
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 12:48 AM
To: David E. Smith; RDecker388@ao*.co*; rikard.lundgren@sw*.se*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: Isolating Manifold Question


If it's not open it's closed.




At 10:18 PM 4/14/2001 -0400, David E. Smith wrote:

  I don't think it is "common sense" that a valve be fully open or
  fully shut.  That is a matter of opinion.  Clearly there are
  arguments/opinions
  for either method (fully open or partially shut).

  dsmith218@ho*.co*
  ICQ# 25409809

  Moderation is for the poor, and the healthy...of which I am neither. -
  Polver




  -----Original Message-----
  From: RDecker388@ao*.co* [mailto:RDecker388@ao*.co*]
  Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 7:55 PM
  To: rikard.lundgren@sw*.se*
  Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
  Subject: Re: Isolating Manifold Question


  In a message dated 4/14/01 9:55:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
  rikard.lundgren@sw*.se* writes:

  > >As for the 3/4 of European divers using this method, divers taking
there
  > first steps into tech training , do so with IANTD or TDI,
  >    >, as shut downs are apart of syllabus, my instructor  & people i
have
  > listened to use this method, and as far as i a aware As the said
  > organisations are wide spread >around Europe , i can only conclude that
  they
  > are also shown this method.
  >


  I suspect this is more a matter of the individual instructor than what's
  actually in the standards.  I've read both of these agency's standards at
  one
  time or another and do not recall a single line about requiring paritially
  open ISOs.

  Common sense dictates that all valves need to be either all the way on or
  all
  the way off.  In a stressful situation requiring a valve shut-down it
would
  be way too easy to turn the valve the wrong way if it's only partly open.
  With a strict on/off approach, the valve is only going to turn one
way......
  THE RIGHT ONE!  Bare handed, gloves or mitts, shutting down a valve is not
a
  difficult matter with a little practice.

  Bob D.
  www.SportDiverHQ.com
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<P><FONT color=3D#ff0000 face=3D"Monotype Corsiva" size=3D4>Moderation =
is for the=20
poor, and the healthy...of which I am neither. - Polver<BR>  =
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face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Joel Silverstein=20
[mailto:JoelSilverstein@sn*.ne*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, April 15,
2001 =
12:48=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> David E. Smith; RDecker388@ao*.co*;=20
rikard.lundgren@sw*.se*<BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Isolating Manifold=20
Question<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=3D3>If it's not open
it's =
closed.=20
<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>At 10:18 PM 4/14/2001 -0400, David E. Smith =
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite cite type=3D"cite">I don't think it is "common =
sense"=20
  that a valve be fully open or<BR>fully shut.  That is a matter of =

  opinion.  Clearly there are<BR>arguments/opinions<BR>for either =
method=20
  (fully open or partially shut).<BR><BR>dsmith218@ho*.co*<BR>ICQ#=20
  25409809<BR><BR>Moderation is for the poor, and the healthy...of which =
I am=20
  neither. -<BR>Polver<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original =
Message-----<BR>From:=20
  RDecker388@ao*.co* [<A href=3D"mailto:RDecker388@ao*.co*"=20
  eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:RDecker388@ao*.co*</A>]<BR>Sent: Saturday, =
April 14,=20
  2001 7:55 PM<BR>To: rikard.lundgren@sw*.se*<BR>Cc:=20
  techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR>Subject: Re: Isolating Manifold=20
  Question<BR><BR><BR>In a message dated 4/14/01 9:55:22 AM Eastern =
Daylight=20
  Time,<BR>rikard.lundgren@sw*.se* writes:<BR><BR>> >As for the =
3/4 of=20
  European divers using this method, divers taking there<BR>> first =
steps=20
  into tech training , do so with IANTD or =
TDI,<BR>>    >,=20
  as shut downs are apart of syllabus, my instructor  & people =
i=20
  have<BR>> listened to use this method, and as far as i a aware As =
the=20
  said<BR>> organisations are wide spread >around Europe , i can =
only=20
  conclude that<BR>they<BR>> are also shown this =
method.<BR>><BR><BR><BR>I=20
  suspect this is more a matter of the individual instructor than=20
  what's<BR>actually in the standards.  I've read both of these =
agency's=20
  standards at<BR>one<BR>time or another and do not recall a single line =
about=20
  requiring paritially<BR>open ISOs.<BR><BR>Common sense dictates that
=
all=20
  valves need to be either all the way on or<BR>all<BR>the way =
off.  In a=20
  stressful situation requiring a valve shut-down it would<BR>be way too =
easy to=20
  turn the valve the wrong way if it's only partly open.<BR>With a =
strict on/off=20
  approach, the valve is only going to turn one way......<BR>THE RIGHT=20
  ONE!  Bare handed, gloves or mitts, shutting down a valve is not=20
  a<BR>difficult matter with a little practice.<BR><BR>Bob
D.<BR><A=20
  href=3D"http://www.sportdiverhq.com/"=20
  eudora=3D"autourl">www.SportDiverHQ.com</A><BR>--<BR>Send mail for
the =

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