Christian:

    On point:  it's often a big problem in Universities that profs can't teach
because they are hired for their research.  I have had to endure many an hour of
profs who had no concept of teaching either.  Your point is still taken, and
Larry
Taylor MAY be an excellent teacher, but I don't think that blanket statement and
comparison can be thrown for all University profs...

Ben

Christian Gerzner wrote:

> Todd Sieber wrote:
> >
> > Why didn't you call or write to PADI's QA department and issue a
> > complaint about this instructor - obvious this instructor broke standards
> > (110 ft forone) depending on if this is a true story.
>
> OK. Good point. However I have heard of lots of instances (note how I
> put that, I have NO proof) that the QA Dept is, shall we say, not
> exactly diligent in pursuing any complaints. Some examples came to
> light on this thread.
> (big snips)
>
> > I agree that many instructors from all agencies should not be teaching
> > and its a wonder they got certified in the first place and I do agree the
> > standards for becoming an instructor are to low but that's how it is.
>
> THAT'S HOW IT IS? So we have to ACCEPT it? REALLY?
>
> No, we DON'T have to accept it, which is what this "bitching" is all
> about. Or so I would have thought.
>
> > Its our responsibility as divers to police ourselves and our fellow divers.
>
> So what do you think this Forum is doing with this thread? Playing
tiddlywinks?
>
> > One more thing I've noticed - everyone who "has an opinion" doesn't
> > teach,but they think they know everything - go figure.  If you think you
> > can do better, step up to the plate, become an instructor yourself and
> > make a difference.  Otherwise, don't bother us.
>
> Quite frankly, that is a stupid comment. There are lots of
> exceptionally competent divers, and pilots, and philosophers, and ...
> the list goes on, out there who are NOT teachers simply because they
> are incompetent to be such. Conversely there are many exceptionally
> competent teachers out there who will never make competent divers, and
> pilots, and philosophers, and ... the list goes on.
>
> This is precisely the point that some of the recreational Scuba
> training agencies, amongst others, fail to realise. Its easy enough to
> do, they do not understand, or perhaps fail to recognise, the
> _concept_ of teaching.
>
> The Agencies, some of them anyway, have tried to overcome this factor
> by "teaching" in modules. That could also be called teaching "by
> rote". Anyone want to ask Larry "Harris" Taylor PhD as just one
> example about that kind of stuff? He teaches (note, he doesn't
> instruct) Scuba and he also teaches at a US University. BTW, he
> refuses to teach anyone Scuba who is less than 18 years of age.
>
> I have seen many an Instructor and I have seen very few Scuba
> Teachers. I like to think that I can tell a Scuba Teacher virtually
> instantly and they're the ones that have my respect.
>
> Me? Never been an Instructor, never will be. I fail in the Teaching
> Dept 100%.
>
> I'm sure that there are many like me. I wish some would recognise it.
>
> Christian
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