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Why are we trying to place blame on one person or the other? It's both for
Gods sake. There are some really great instructors out there, connected
with different agencies, just like there are bad ones! I think the agencies
are at fault for not policing their instructors and making it harder to get
an instructor license and keeping it. They are also at fault for not making
their materials more in-depth and being slow to react to new information.
They are also at fault for not having tougher standards when teaching
someone something that can easily get you killed if there is the simplest
screw up.
The instructors are also at fault. They have the ability of being either
good teachers or bad ones. A good teacher knows his/her limitations and
knows not to cross them. Just about anyone can probably teach a resort
course in warm clear water at 40 feet on a reef. If this is your
limitation, don't apply for a deep cold certification and take someone in
that environment and pretend to know what you are talking about. One of my
biggest problems is that there is no real connection between what the
instructor knows or that they keep up their skills for that instruction
level. How many instructors do you know who can teach you wreck specialty
when all they do is one or 2 local dives while spending the rest of their
diving career in the Caribbean looking at fish on a reef or swimming around
a wreck?
We've got plenty of instructors up here in the NE that can teach you dry
suit diving and give you some cockamamie certification for it when all they
do is dive in a quarry and make one local boat trip. The rest of the time
they are taking people to warm water. On the other hand there are other
instructors that pretty much only dive in their local environment. You
typically don't see them giving you some tropical fish identification
certification..... Good instructors and bad ones. I think what constitutes
a bad instructor is attitude (not caring if you actually understand
something or not) as well as not knowing their limitations.
It's both, agencies and instructors.... By no means a complete list!
This thread is starting to get very old!
Art.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Greenhouse [mailto:b.greenhouse@ut*.ca*]
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:20 PM
To: haglandg@to*.co*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: WARNING - Coffee Alert
Gary
I agree with you on most points except your last one. It is the
instructor, not the agency. Neither of the two MSDTs you talk about were
practising what they preach. PADI has no need to make understanding basic
decompression theory an additional criteria for the rating of MSDT. These
two guys were diving beyond their training. Unless either of them were
trained by a tech agency, they were beyond what they had been taught (which
includes following the Recreational Dive Tables). If they had tech
training, then it's that agency that's to blame (please don't say they were
tec-rec).
I'm not saying that PADI is perfect. I know a few incredibly
incompetent instructors myself. That being said, teaching a person to dive
to 30 feet in the carribean isn't that hard. Students are taught that if
they enter an environment different than the one they were trained in, they
should get an orientation dive with a local divemaster or instructor.
Probably due to attitudes like the ones on this list, people think that it's
only a money-grab. While I agree that it is a bit of a money grab, there is
also some sense in the madness. You can't expect every instructor to have
dove in every conceivable set of circumstances. I dive and teach in cold
water with limited visibility relative to more tropical locales. However, I
don't have a lot of experience in currents, and so I would never try and
teach a student how to drift dive. By recommending that students get
oriented in new environments, you can ensure that they get taught by people
who have experience in that area. Anyhow, most students will probably never
venture too far from the conditions in which they were trained. PADI also
advocates that students take a tuneup if they haven't been diving for a
while.
There are many bad things about PADI, not the least of which is (what I
perceive as) the lax standards for IDC admission. However, I think that a
good instructor from PADI is as good as an instructor from any other RSTC
training program. A bad instructor from PADI is as bad as any other
instructor. If someone has hard stats that more PADI divers are getting
injured than divers from other training agencies, I think PADI would be very
interested to hear it, as would I.
I'm sure I'll get some flames on this, but I would be interested in
rational discussion. I think that while there are a lot of bad areas within
PADI, they are no worse than any other agency on the market (GUE does seem
to be changing things though...).
All that being said, don't get me started on Tec-Rec.
Ben
Gary Hagland wrote:
Adam,Have been watching your posts and understand your feelings about PADI.
I was certified as an instructor by that agency in 1978 when there was an
entirely different ethos to their approach to dive training. We took great
pride in creating competent divers. Those instructors who took short cuts,
rushed classes, and certified marginal students were looked upon as scum.
Unfortunately, because of their business based system, they are now the
norm. More unfortunately, most of those same individuals think they're
doing a terrific job because they know no better. They're encapsulated in
PADI propaganda. However, most of them one day wake up and discover that
their efforts outpace the rewards. The return on investment sucks.
Economically, it doesn't make sense to be a dive instructor, especially a
incompetent one. They quit. That's a blessing for the dive community, but
their system seems to be able to churn out more of the same. I know some
good PADI Instructors, but the active ones of my acquaintance have
diminished to three. Since the beginning of the year here on Okinawa, there
have been two confirmed cases of DCS among the American military community.
Both were PADI Master Scuba Diver Trainers. One went for a five mile run
after completing a dive to 190 FSW. The other spent 30 minutes trying to
dislodge a porthole from a U.S. ship sunk during the battle here at 146 FSW,
and which should probably be considered a war grave since 60 sailors are
still aboard, and ran out of air before he could make his first stop at 40
feet. After 45 minutes he went back to the wreck. During his ascent, he
began to feel pain between his 20 and 10 foot stops. Perhaps if PADI made
understanding basic decompression theory an additional criteria for the
rating of MSDT, we would have fewer accidents and better training by that
agency's instructors. The mantra that it's the instructor not the agency is
pass�.Gary HaglandOkinawa, Japan
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam [ mailto:deepwrecks@ya*.co* <mailto:deepwrecks@ya*.co*> ]
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:52 AM
To: William Anzueto
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: WARNING - Coffee Alert
When PADI started they where non profit organization. I am not against PADI
making money. I stand against PADI's bullshit to lower the standards to
produce instructors and sell impressive but worthless titles. They are
certifying instructors regardless of their skills and teaching ability to
gain market share.Because PADI believes more instructors produce more
divers. More divers mean more money. Do you know instructor candidates will
be marked down if they fail to promote up coming classes. (Basket weaving or
perhaps Pumpkin Carving Specialty any one) As I said again and again there
are great instructors out there. The ultimate insult to all good instructors
regardless of agency who worked hard and care about quality, safety of their
students is to be put in to the same class as these morons. Because they
happened to share the same Master Instructor Trainer title. Difference is
one earned the title and the other bought it. ;-)<?xml:namespace prefix = o
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Cheers
Adam
William Anzueto <willanz@ms*.co*> wrote:
Adam,
Interesting that you should post this....
I wonder what kind of business you are in...do they make money by providing
a service or material? That's what makes the world go round. So yes PADI is
in for making money...and now the rest of the agencies are cachting up.
My training:
PADI Instructor.
GUE Cave 1 and doing Cave 2 next month.
My opinion on PADI....agency just makes the outline....the instructor makes
a big difference.
I train my courses since GUE Cave 1 very differently.
Dive soon,
William
"Cave Country , FL"
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connected
with different agencies, just like there are bad ones!<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I think the agencies are at =
fault for
not policing their instructors and making it harder to get an =
instructor license
and keeping it.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>They are =
also at
fault for not making their materials more in-depth and being slow to =
react to
new information.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>They =
are also at
fault for not having tougher standards when teaching someone something =
that can
easily get you killed if there is the simplest screw =
up.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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limitations and knows not to cross them.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">
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clear water
at 40 feet on a reef.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>If =
this is
your limitation, don’t apply for a deep cold certification and =
take someone in
that environment and pretend to know what you are talking about.<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>One of my biggest problems is =
that
there is no real connection between what the instructor knows or that =
they keep
up their skills for that instruction level.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun:
yes"> </span>How many instructors do you know who can teach you =
wreck
specialty when all they do is one or 2 local dives while spending the =
rest of
their diving career in the Caribbean looking at fish on a reef or =
swimming
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diving and
give you some cockamamie certification for it when all they do is dive =
in a
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style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>On the other hand there are =
other
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Ben Greenhouse
[mailto:b.greenhouse@ut*.ca*]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday,
March =
15, 2001
12:20 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
haglandg@to*.co*<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> =
techdiver@aquanaut.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: WARNING
- =
Coffee
Alert</span></font></p>
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
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color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Gary </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> I agree with =
you on
most points except your last one. It is the instructor, not the
agency. Neither of the two MSDTs you talk about were practising =
what they
preach. PADI has no need to make understanding basic =
decompression theory
an additional criteria for the rating of MSDT. These two guys =
were diving
beyond their training. Unless either of them were trained by a =
tech
agency, they were beyond what they had been taught (which includes =
following
the Recreational Dive Tables). If they had tech training, then =
it's that
agency that's to blame (please don't say they were tec-rec). =
</span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> I'm not =
saying that
PADI is perfect. I know a few incredibly incompetent instructors
myself. That being said, teaching a person to dive to 30 feet in =
the
carribean isn't that hard. Students are taught that if they enter =
an
environment different than the one they were trained in, they should =
get an
orientation dive with a local divemaster or instructor. Probably =
due to
attitudes like the ones on this list, people think that it's only a =
money-grab.
While I agree that it is a bit of a money grab, there is also some =
sense in the
madness. You can't expect every instructor to have dove in every
conceivable set of circumstances. I dive and teach in cold water =
with
limited visibility relative to more tropical locales. However, I =
don't
have a lot of experience in currents, and so I would never try and =
teach a
student how to drift dive. By recommending that students get =
oriented in
new environments, you can ensure that they get taught by people who =
have
experience in that area. Anyhow, most students will probably =
never
venture too far from the conditions in which they were trained. =
PADI also
advocates that students take a tuneup if they haven't been diving for a =
while. </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> There are =
many bad
things about PADI, not the least of which is (what I perceive as) the =
lax
standards for IDC admission. However, I think that a good =
instructor from
PADI is as good as an instructor from any other RSTC training =
program. A
bad instructor from PADI is as bad as any other instructor. If =
someone
has hard stats that more PADI divers are getting injured than divers =
from other
training agencies, I think PADI would be very interested to hear it, as =
would
I. </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> I'm sure I'll =
get some
flames on this, but I would be interested in rational discussion. =
I think
that while there are a lot of bad areas within PADI, they are no worse =
than any
other agency on the market (GUE does seem to be changing things =
though...). </span></font><font
color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> All that =
being said,
don't get me started on Tec-Rec. </span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Ben </span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></f
ont>=
</p>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Gary Hagland wrote: =
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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font =
size=3D2
color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>Adam,Have been watching your posts and understand your =
feelings
about PADI. I was certified as an instructor by that agency in =
1978 when
there was an entirely different ethos to their approach to dive =
training.
We took great pride in creating competent divers. Those =
instructors who
took short cuts, rushed classes, and certified marginal students were =
looked
upon as scum. Unfortunately, because of their business based =
system, they
are now the norm. More unfortunately, most of those same =
individuals
think they're doing a terrific job because they know no better. =
They're
encapsulated in PADI propaganda. However, most of them one day =
wake up
and discover that their efforts outpace the rewards. The return =
on
investment sucks. Economically, it doesn't make sense to be a =
dive
instructor, especially a incompetent one. They quit. That's =
a
blessing for the dive community, but their system seems to be able to =
churn out
more of the same. I know some good PADI Instructors, but the =
active ones
of my acquaintance have diminished to three. Since the beginning =
of the
year here on Okinawa, there have been two confirmed cases of DCS among =
the
American military community. Both were PADI Master Scuba Diver
Trainers. One went for a five mile run after completing a dive to =
190
FSW. The other spent 30 minutes trying to dislodge a porthole =
from a U.S.
ship sunk during the battle here at 146 FSW, and which should probably =
be
considered a war grave since 60 sailors are still aboard, and ran out =
of air
before he could make his first stop at 40 feet. After 45 minutes =
he went
back to the wreck. During his ascent, he began to feel pain =
between his
20 and 10 foot stops. Perhaps if PADI made understanding basic
decompression theory an additional criteria for the rating of MSDT, we =
would
have fewer accidents and better training by that agency's =
instructors. The
mantra that it's the instructor not the agency is pass=E9.Gary =
HaglandOkinawa,
Japan</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'>
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face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></fo=
nt></b><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> Adam [<a =
href=3D"mailto:deepwrecks@ya*.co*">mailto:deepwrecks@yahoo.com</a>]</s=
pan></font><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></fo=
nt></b><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:52 AM</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font=
></b><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> William Anzueto</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></font=
></b><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> techdiver@aquanaut.com</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
</span></font><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span><=
/font></b><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> Re: WARNING - Coffee Alert</span></font><font =
color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'> <br>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal =
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color=3Dblack
face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:black'>When PADI started they where non profit organization. I am =
not
against PADI making money. I stand against PADI's bullshit to lower the
standards to produce instructors and sell impressive but worthless =
titles. They
are certifying instructors regardless of their skills and teaching =
ability to
gain market share.Because PADI believes more instructors produce more =
divers.
More divers mean more money. Do you know instructor candidates will be =
marked
down if they fail to promote up coming classes. (Basket weaving or =
perhaps Pumpkin
Carving Specialty any one) As I said again and again there are great
instructors out there. The ultimate insult to all good instructors =
regardless
of agency who worked hard and care about quality, safety of their =
students is
to be put in to the same class as these morons. Because they happened =
to share
the same Master Instructor Trainer title. Difference is one earned the =
title
and the other bought it. ;-)<?xml:namespace prefix =3D o ns =3D =
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<p style=3D'margin-right:1.0in;margin-left:1.5in'><b><i><font
size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>William Anzueto =
<willanz@ms*.co*></span></font></i></b><font
color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black'> wrote: <br>
Adam, </span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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<p style=3D'margin-right:1.0in;margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Interesting
that you should post this.... <br>
I wonder what kind of business you are in...do they make money by =
providing a
service or material? That's what makes the world go round. So yes PADI =
is in
for making money...and now the rest of the agencies are cachting up. =
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<p style=3D'margin-right:1.0in;margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>My training: <br>
PADI Instructor. <br>
GUE Cave 1 and doing Cave 2 next month. <br>
My opinion on PADI....agency just makes the outline....the instructor =
makes a
big difference. <br>
I train my courses since GUE Cave 1 very differently. <br>
Dive soon, <br>
William <br>
"Cave Country , FL" <br>
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