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--0-1540383426-984672615=:21815 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gary I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately instructors replaced their pride with dollars by certifying sub standard students. I think problem comes from. PADI�s attitude about certifying sub standard instructors to pursue dollars. Lowering instructor prerequisites. Course Directors teaching instructor candidates how to pass the IE rather than teaching techniques. People are lasing out at me for blaming PADI. Here is a perfect example of PADI looking the other way because dollar signs. Last year in Michigan two PADI instructors lost a student while on a night dive. They found the body at 120+ft. 2-3 weeks later. Two instructors three open water divers night pleasure dive to 120 ft. One instructor owns a 5 star IDC center the other teaches for the shop. All of you PADI Instructors can you please tell me how many PADI standards violated and why are these guys still teaching. If PADI had a backbone they would pull the five star rating and cancel the teaching privileges. Well, the doors are open and still teaching with 5 star rating. Funny how some things work! Adam. Gary Hagland <haglandg@to*.co*> wrote: Adam, Have been watching your posts and understand your feelings about PADI. I was certified as an instructor by that agency in 1978 when there was an entirely different ethos to their approach to dive training. We took great pride in creating competent divers. Those instructors who took short cuts, rushed classes, and certified marginal students were looked upon as scum. Unfortunately, because of their business based system, they are now the norm. More unfortunately, most of those same individuals think they're doing a terrific job because they know no better. They're encapsulated in PADI propaganda. However, most of them one day wake up and discover that their efforts outpace the rewards. The return on investment sucks. Economically, it doesn't make sense to be a dive instructor, especially a incompetent one. They quit. That's a blessing for the dive community, but their system seems to be able to churn out more of the same. I know some good PADI Instructors, but the active ones of my acquaintance have diminished to three. Since the beginning of the year here on Okinawa, there have been two confirmed cases of DCS among the American military community. Both were PADI Master Scuba Diver Trainers. One went for a five mile run after completing a dive to 190 FSW. The other spent 30 minutes trying to dislodge a porthole from a U.S. ship sunk during the battle here at 146 FSW, and which should probably be considered a war grave since 60 sailors are still aboard, and ran out of air before he could make his first stop at 40 feet. After 45 minutes he went back to the wreck. During his ascent, he began to feel pain between his 20 and 10 foot stops. Perhaps if PADI made understanding basic decompression theory an additional criteria for the rating of MSDT, we would have fewer accidents and better training by that agency's instructors. The mantra that it's the instructor not the agency is pass�. Gary Hagland Okinawa, Japan -----Original Message----- From: Adam [mailto:deepwrecks@ya*.co*] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:52 AM To: William Anzueto Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: Re: WARNING - Coffee Alert When PADI started they where non profit organization. I am not against PADI making money. I stand against PADI�s bullshit to lower the standards to produce instructors and sell impressive but worthless titles. They are certifying instructors regardless of their skills and teaching ability to gain market share. Because PADI believes more instructors produce more divers. More divers mean more money. Do you know instructor candidates will be marked down if they fail to promote up coming classes. (Basket weaving or perhaps Pumpkin Carving Specialty any one) As I said again and again there are great instructors out there. The ultimate insult to all good instructors regardless of agency who worked hard and care about quality, safety of their students is to be put in to the same class as these morons. Because they happened to share the same Master Instructor Trainer title. Difference is one earned the title and the other bought it. ;-) Cheers Adam William Anzueto <willanz@ms*.co*> wrote: Adam, Interesting that you should post this.... I wonder what kind of business you are in...do they make money by providing a service or material? That's what makes the world go round. So yes PADI is in for making money...and now the rest of the agencies are cachting up. My training: PADI Instructor. GUE Cave 1 and doing Cave 2 next month. My opinion on PADI....agency just makes the outline....the instructor makes a big difference. I train my courses since GUE Cave 1 very differently. Dive soon, William "Cave Country , FL" --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-1540383426-984672615=:21815 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Gary <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately instructors replaced their pride with dollars by certifying sub standard students. I think problem comes from. PADI�s attitude about certifying sub standard instructors to pursue dollars.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Lowering instructor prerequisites. Course Directors teaching instructor candidates how to pass the IE rather than teaching techniques. People are lasing out at me for blaming PADI. Here is a perfect example of PADI looking the other way because dollar signs. Last year in Michigan two PADI instructors lost a student while on a night dive.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They found the body at 120+ft. 2-3 weeks later. Two instructors three open water divers night pleasure dive to 120 ft. One instructor owns a 5 star IDC center the other teaches for the shop.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>All of you PADI Instructors can you please tell me how many PADI standards violated and why are these guys still teaching. If PADI had a backbone they would pull the five star rating and cancel the teaching privileges. Well, the doors are open and still teaching with 5 star rating. Funny how some things work!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Adam. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P> <P><B><I>Gary Hagland <haglandg@to*.co*></I></B> wrote: <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=GENERATOR> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=320252111-15032001>Adam,</SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=320252111-15032001>Have been watching your posts and understand your feelings about PADI. I was certified as an instructor by that agency in 1978 when there was an entirely different ethos to their approach to dive training. We took great pride in creating competent divers. Those instructors who took short cuts, rushed classes, and certified marginal students were looked upon as scum. Unfortunately, because of their business based system, they are now the norm. More unfortunately, most of those same individuals think they're doing a terrific job because they know no better. They're encapsulated in PADI propaganda. However, most of them one day wake up and discover that their efforts outpace the rewards. The return on investment sucks. Economically, it doesn't make sense to be a dive instructor, especially a incompetent one. They quit. That's a blessing for the dive community, but their system seems to be able to churn out more of the same. I know some good PADI Instructors, but the active ones of my acquaintance have diminished to three. </SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=320252111-15032001>Since the beginning of the year here on Okinawa, there have been two confirmed cases of DCS among the American military community. Both were PADI Master Scuba Diver Trainers. One went for a five mile run after completing a dive to 190 FSW. The other spent 30 minutes trying to dislodge a porthole from a U.S. ship sunk during the battle here at 146 FSW, and which should probably be considered a war grave since 60 sailors are still aboard, and ran out of air before he could make his first stop at 40 feet. After 45 minutes he went back to the wreck. During his ascent, he began to feel pain between his 20 and 10 foot stops. Perhaps if PADI made understanding basic decompression theory an additional criteria for the rating of MSDT, we would have fewer accidents and better training by that agency's instructors. </SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=320252111-15032001>The mantra that it's the instructor not the agency is pass�.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=320252111-15032001>Gary Hagland</SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=320252111-15032001>Okinawa, Japan</SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Adam [mailto:deepwrecks@ya*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:52 AM<BR><B>To:</B> William Anzueto<BR><B>Cc:</B> techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: WARNING - Coffee Alert<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><BR> <P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">When PADI started they where non profit organization. I am not against PADI making money. I stand against PADI�s bullshit to lower the standards to produce instructors and sell impressive but worthless titles. They are certifying instructors regardless of their skills and teaching ability to gain market share.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Because PADI believes more instructors produce more divers. More divers mean more money. Do you know instructor candidates will be marked down if they fail to promote up coming classes. (Basket weaving or perhaps Pumpkin Carving Specialty any one) As I said again and again there are great instructors out there. The ultimate insult to all good instructors regardless of agency who worked hard and care about quality, safety of their students is to be put in to the same class as these morons. Because they happened to share the same Master Instructor Trainer title. Difference is one earned the title and the other bought it. ;-)<o:p></o:p></SPAN> <BR> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Cheers<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><BR> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Adam<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><BR> <P><B><I>William Anzueto <willanz@ms*.co*></I></B> wrote: <BR>Adam,<BR><BR>Interesting that you should post this....<BR>I wonder what kind of business you are in...do they make money by providing a service or material? That's what makes the world go round. So yes PADI is in for making money...and now the rest of the agencies are cachting up.<BR><BR>My training:<BR>PADI Instructor.<BR>GUE Cave 1 and doing Cave 2 next month.<BR>My opinion on PADI....agency just makes the outline....the instructor makes a big difference.<BR>I train my courses since GUE Cave 1 very differently.<BR>Dive soon,<BR>William<BR>"Cave Country , FL"<BR></P><BR> <P><BR><BR> <HR SIZE=1> <BR><B>Do You Yahoo!?</B><BR><A href="http://auctions.yahoo.com/">Yahoo! Auctions</A> - Buy the things you want at great prices!</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br> <a href=http://auctions.yahoo.com>Yahoo! Auctions</a> - Buy the things you want at great prices! --0-1540383426-984672615=:21815-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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