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RE: your defense of Padi and the lower training standards Yes, you are correct that most new divers do not want "tech" training and only want to do shallow, warm, recreational/vacation type dives. However, even "simple" SCUBA diving is a technical pursuit and potentially dangerous. The diver may intend doing an easy dive, but too often things happen, even shallow, and a diver with inadequate training may find themselves in serious trouble. Case in point, I read an accident report in Rodale's a couple of years back; tropical resort, warm, shallow reef dives. On the last diving day of a one week vacation the boat stopped over a 70' reef for the dive, but by the time the divers got into the water the boat had drifted over the edge of the wall into deep water. 3 pairs of divers got into the water and all 3 teams descended out of control into the depths. The dive master saw what was happening and managed to reach 4 divers, inflate their BCs and send them back to the surface. He apparently could not reach the last pair in time and when his body surfaced his gauge showed about 200' depth. I would say these divers only wanted to do a warm shallow dive, but because they were so poorly trained that they could not control their buoyancy and 5 people died. Bottom line, there is no real justification for dumbing down the training except money. Poor or inadequate training makes poor, inadequate divers and you can drown in 20' of warm water just as easily as 200' of cold water. At 08:04 AM 3/14/01 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Adam -- your anti-PADI prejudice is obvious, but let's just discuss some >reality. And I'll be up front and tell you that I am a PADI MSDT, been >diving since 1972 (but don't have PADI on my underwear). When I first >learned to dive, diving and dive instructors were very macho/militaristic. >Probably not a bad thing considering the state of dive gear at the time... >No BC's, no SPG's, fairly crude regs compared to today. The emphasis on >strength and endurance, ditch & don, blow & go, etc. was more appropriate >for the conditions then. But that limited the sport to the macho few... > >As gear improved, it became possible for more people to participate in >diving. PADI and other agencies adapted to the market. In fact, it can be >argued that bringing a lot more participants into diving enabled the gear >manufacturers to develop better gear, which enabled more divers, which >enabled better gear, and so on. Gear that we all now depend on for more >aggressive diving. However, there is an important point which is missing >from some of these emails. MOST divers do not want to tech dive. MOST >divers want to enjoy the sport above 90-100 ft., feel safe, be warm, have >great vis, etc. That may not be what you want to do, but that's reality. >Keep in mind that PADI is an organization that probably has done more to >promote diving than any other group. So, before attacking PADI, you >should remind yourself that the quality of instruction still comes down to >the instructor. After all, when you were taught to drive, you probably >were taught to obey the speed limits, but perhaps ... > >Good diving -- KOB. > >|------------------------+------------------------+------------------------| >| | Adam | | >| | <deepwrecks@ya*.co*| To: | >| | > | techdiver@aquanaut.co| >| | | m | >| | 03/13/2001 05:36 PM | cc: | >| | | Subject: | >| | | Re: WARNING - Coffee | >| | | Alert | >|------------------------+------------------------+------------------------| > > > > > > > > >Hey Todd > >Do you have PADI written on your underwear? Do you have PADI Instructor >hat? Hey Todd BY THE END OF THIS E MAIL YOU WILL BE ABLE TO DISTINGUISH >BULL SHIT FROM REALITY. If you can't you deserve to be a PADI Instructor. >PADI is nothing but a moneymaking bullshit that switches with wind and >dollar signs. Years ago PADI wanted the dive instruction market so they >manufactured bullshit instructors at PADI collage. So little fat slob >instructors that don't know their ass from hole in the ground will make >little divers that do little dives. They closed down the PADI Collage >because they did not make enough money. Then PADI changed the dive master >in water qualification standards because their fat slob out of shape dive >master craniates could not swim. Because it was too hard. PADI also said if >you dive over 130 feet you will die. They also said Nitrox and Trimix is >bullshit. Guess what? Now they see there is money to be made they are in >Nitrox and Technical training. Of course they are going to have flashy >bullshit stolen training materials. They constantly screw divers to make >money. PADI is in this business to make money. Basket weaving specialty? >Common give me a f-break. I wonder if they are going to have Trimix basket >weaving specialty? Don't get me wrong there are excellent PADI instructors >out there but unfortunately bullshit ones out number the good ones. > >Cheers > >Adam > > > Todd Sieber wrote: > > ~ > > >Paul, > > > > > >Look dip-shit quit giving shit about PADI - its not the freak'n > > organization > > >that turns out bad divers its the freak'n insturctors who don't give > > a shit > > >about their students - I see it all the time and from EVERY > > organization. > > >PADI has the best teaching materials of every organization (hence, > > the fact > > >that every one has copied them) and yes, they even have the best > > materials > > >for the Tec-Rec, they beat the shit out of IANTD and TDI Advanced > > Nitrox and > > >Deep Air materials. So unless you're an insturctor turning out > > perfect > > >divers (which by the way you can not do) - shut the Freak up about > > PADI > > >already. > > > > > >And as far as kids goes, we don't even know what diving does to > > adults .... > > > > > >Todd > > > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: Paul Braunbehrens [mailto:Bakalite@ba*.co*] > > >> >t; Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 3:04 PM > > >> > To: Cody Towns; techdiver@aquanaut.com > > >> > Subject: RE: WARNING - Coffee Alert > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Anybody who allows a kid to use compressed air is out of his > > mind. > > >> > We have no idea what the inevitable microbubble damage will do > > to > > >> > growing bones, brain etc. I just remember last year when I was > > in > > >> > Hawaii with my family, doing a lot of freediving, and wishing I > > could > > >> > stay down just a little longer to get a better look at > > something. > > >> > > > >> > As far as people embolizing at 50'...with the way PADi trains > > I'm > > >> > sure it happens all the time. No real training to speak of, > > pay and > > >> > we'll certify you for sure, no matter how inept you are, and > > accept > > >> > anyone into the course. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Cheers. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > -- > > Paul B. > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! > > > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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