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From: "Joe" <joe@po*.co*>
To: "Michael Domitrek" <n2gypsy@wz*.co*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: NY Cave Fatality
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:08:47 -0800
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This is probably what you are referring to.

Joe


Subject: RPI student dies in underwater tunnel


> By BRUCE A. SCRUTON, Staff writer
> Last updated: 12:15 p.m., Tuesday, Feb. 27, 2001
> Divers enter cave to recover body
> RPI student dies in underwater tunnel
>=20
> NEW SCOTLAND <New York> -- An RPI graduate student who wanted one more =
try=20
> at
> clearing an underground, underwater tunnel apparently became caught in =
the
> 20-inch opening and died when his air supply ran out, officials said =
early=20
> this
> morning.
>=20
> Robert Svensson, 23, was studying computer science at RPI. His =
hometown is
> Sherborn, Mass., between Boston and Worcester.
>=20
> Divers called off their search after several hours but returned later =
this
> morning to Clarksville Cave in an effort to recover the body.
>=20
> Svensson was among three students from the Troy school who went to the =
cave
> Monday afternoon. Experienced divers, the trio planned to use an =
underwater
> passage from one part of the cave to another. The passage dips down =
from one
> level and then back up into another room in the complex just off Route =
443.
>=20
> It is that U-shaped < it's a sump; U-shaped refers to crosss section =
along=20
> the
> long axis of the passage> area that collects snow-melt and runoff from =
the
> Heldeberg Mountains and is always full of water.
>=20
> Albany County Deputy Chief Craig Apple said divers who went into the
> water-filled tube encountered near zero visibility because of the =
darkness
> and the amount of silt in the water. ``There's no current to move =
stuff
> away, so it all settles in there; very fine silt. As soon as they =
(divers)
> touch the water, it gets stirred up.'' <The sump is not entirely the =
result=20
> of
> water ponding in a low spot. It is simply one part of the stream that =
flows
> through most parts of the cave; currently the flow rate may be pretty =
low.>
>=20
> The Lake Room is about 1,000 feet from one of the entrances to the =
cave, a
> trip that takes about 45 minutes one-way crawling through openings =
that are
> sometimes 18 inches wide. .``There's house-size rooms in there, too, =
and
> that's the appeal (of exploring the cave),'' Apple said. < There is =
perhaps=20
> 100
> yards worth of low crawl about 18 inches high; the only thing less =
than a=20
> few
> feet wide on the route to the Lake Room is the entrance, which is a =
roughly
> circular hole about 20 inches across. The "Big Room" is about 40 feet =
across
> and 15 feet high; it's apparently the main appeal for people who just =
want=20
> to
> sit in the cave and drink their beer in the summer.>
>=20
> The two remaining students told investigators that all three were
> experienced divers and dragged their equipment, including small air
> cannisters, from the entrance to the water's edge in the Lake Room.
>=20
> There, when they encountered the blocked passage and could not get =
through
> to the other parts of the cave, they decided to take turns trying to =
clear
> the limbs and collected debris.
>=20
> "They were down there for about an hour-and-a-half and were getting
> tired," Apple said. "They decided to call it quits and he (victim) =
said he
> wanted to give it one more try."
>=20
> "He went back down and after a period of time, a column of bubbles
> emerged.That was the last they saw of him," he said.
>=20
> The pair told officers they went into the water and tried to pull =
their
> friend out, but he was caught. "They did manage to push him forward =
some,
> but they couldn't get him out. He was tangled on the bend somehow," =
Apple
> said.
>=20
> The two then had to make the 45-minute crawl back to the entrance and =
run
> through some woods to get help. Officials got the 911 call about 9 =
p.m.
>=20
> Divers from both the Albany County Sheriff's Department and the Albany
> County Dive Team were called to the cave, along with specially-trained
> volunteers who have made dozens of rescues from the surrounding caves =
over
> the years. <These would be mostly local cavers with no cave diving=20
> experience;
> many of the cavers as well as several local volunteer firemen have =
attended=20
> a
> weekend orientation to basic cave rescue; a few of the local cavers =
have
> substantial experience at cave rescue. AFAIK none of the local dive =
rescue
> people have cave training.>
>=20
> Albany County Undersheriff John R. Mahan said this is the first death =
he can
> remember in an Albany County cave in the 25 years he has been with the
> department. <AFAIK it's been about 25 years since any cave death in =
New=20
> York. I
> believe there was a death while doing vertical work in a nearby cave =
around=20
> the
> mid to late 70's, and a caver was crushed by falling ice at another =
Albany
> County cave in '76. There would have been  at least two more cave =
diving=20
> deaths
> in still another Albany County cave in '91  when students from the =
Syracuse
> University Outing Club were trapped by a flood. Rescue divers (with no =
cave
> training) were just about to enter a normally dry cave when a member =
of the
> cave rescue team showed up and convinced them they would die if they=20
> entered.>
>=20
> Working in two-man teams, the 10 divers took turns dipping into the =
frigid
> waters of the tunnel. While the air temperature in the cave remains =
about 55
> degrees year-round, the water temperature is in the low 40s, the two
> officers said.
>=20
> "The tunnel where Svensson's body is trapped is only about 18-24 =
inches in
> diameter and, with his body in that space too, there's not much room
> to work," Apple said.
>=20
> After several hours of work, the divers still could not free the body, =
Apple
> said. About 1:30 a.m. today, the decision was made to bring the divers =
out
> of the cave.
>=20
> "We're going to get them some rest, discuss this, and come up with a
> different plan in the morning," Apple said.
>=20
>=20

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Michael Domitrek=20
  To: techdiver@aquanaut.com=20
  Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 4:56 AM
  Subject: NY Cave Fatality


  Anyone have any information on this, spotted a small article in the =
local paper. Article stated it was at Clarksville, NY cave and that as =
of Tuesday they could not recover the body........  Michael

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<DIV>This is probably what you are referring to.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Joe</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Subject: RPI student dies in underwater tunnel</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>> By BRUCE A. SCRUTON, Staff writer<BR>> Last =
updated:=20
12:15 p.m., Tuesday, Feb. 27, 2001<BR>> Divers enter cave to recover=20
body<BR>> RPI student dies in underwater tunnel<BR>> <BR>>
NEW =
SCOTLAND=20
<New York> -- An RPI graduate student who wanted one more try =
<BR>>=20
at<BR>> clearing an underground, underwater tunnel apparently became =
caught=20
in the<BR>> 20-inch opening and died when his air supply ran out, =
officials=20
said early <BR>> this<BR>> morning.<BR>> <BR>> Robert =
Svensson, 23,=20
was studying computer science at RPI. His hometown is<BR>> Sherborn, =
Mass.,=20
between Boston and Worcester.<BR>> <BR>> Divers called off their =
search=20
after several hours but returned later this<BR>> morning to =
Clarksville Cave=20
in an effort to recover the body.<BR>> <BR>> Svensson was among =
three=20
students from the Troy school who went to the cave<BR>> Monday =
afternoon.=20
Experienced divers, the trio planned to use an underwater<BR>> =
passage from=20
one part of the cave to another. The passage dips down from one<BR>> =
level=20
and then back up into another room in the complex just off Route =
443.<BR>>=20
<BR>> It is that U-shaped < it's a sump; U-shaped refers to crosss =
section=20
along <BR>> the<BR>> long axis of the passage> area that =
collects=20
snow-melt and runoff from the<BR>> Heldeberg Mountains and is always =
full of=20
water.<BR>> <BR>> Albany County Deputy Chief Craig Apple said =
divers who=20
went into the<BR>> water-filled tube encountered near zero visibility =
because=20
of the darkness<BR>> and the amount of silt in the water. ``There's =
no=20
current to move stuff<BR>> away, so it all settles in there; very =
fine silt.=20
As soon as they (divers)<BR>> touch the water, it gets stirred up.'' =
<The=20
sump is not entirely the result <BR>> of<BR>> water ponding in a =
low spot.=20
It is simply one part of the stream that flows<BR>> through most =
parts of the=20
cave; currently the flow rate may be pretty low.><BR>> <BR>> =
The Lake=20
Room is about 1,000 feet from one of the entrances to the cave, =
a<BR>> trip=20
that takes about 45 minutes one-way crawling through openings that =
are<BR>>=20
sometimes 18 inches wide. .``There's house-size rooms in there, too, =
and<BR>>=20
that's the appeal (of exploring the cave),'' Apple said. < There is =
perhaps=20
<BR>> 100<BR>> yards worth of low crawl about 18 inches high; the =
only=20
thing less than a <BR>> few<BR>> feet wide on the route to the =
Lake Room=20
is the entrance, which is a roughly<BR>> circular hole about 20 =
inches=20
across. The "Big Room" is about 40 feet across<BR>> and 15 feet high; =
it's=20
apparently the main appeal for people who just want <BR>> to<BR>> =
sit in=20
the cave and drink their beer in the summer.><BR>> <BR>> The =
two=20
remaining students told investigators that all three were<BR>> =
experienced=20
divers and dragged their equipment, including small air<BR>> =
cannisters, from=20
the entrance to the water's edge in the Lake Room.<BR>> <BR>> =
There, when=20
they encountered the blocked passage and could not get through<BR>> =
to the=20
other parts of the cave, they decided to take turns trying to =
clear<BR>> the=20
limbs and collected debris.<BR>> <BR>> "They were down there for =
about an=20
hour-and-a-half and were getting<BR>> tired," Apple said. "They =
decided to=20
call it quits and he (victim) said he<BR>> wanted to give it one more =

try."<BR>> <BR>> "He went back down and after a period of time, a =
column=20
of bubbles<BR>> emerged.That was the last they saw of him," he =
said.<BR>>=20
<BR>> The pair told officers they went into the water and tried to =
pull=20
their<BR>> friend out, but he was caught. "They did manage to push =
him=20
forward some,<BR>> but they couldn't get him out. He was tangled on =
the bend=20
somehow," Apple<BR>> said.<BR>> <BR>> The two then had to
make =
the=20
45-minute crawl back to the entrance and run<BR>> through some woods =
to get=20
help. Officials got the 911 call about 9 p.m.<BR>> <BR>> Divers =
from both=20
the Albany County Sheriff's Department and the Albany<BR>> County =
Dive Team=20
were called to the cave, along with specially-trained<BR>> volunteers =
who=20
have made dozens of rescues from the surrounding caves over<BR>> the =
years.=20
<These would be mostly local cavers with no cave diving <BR>>=20
experience;<BR>> many of the cavers as well as several local =
volunteer=20
firemen have attended <BR>> a<BR>> weekend orientation to basic =
cave=20
rescue; a few of the local cavers have<BR>> substantial experience at =
cave=20
rescue. AFAIK none of the local dive rescue<BR>> people have cave=20
training.><BR>> <BR>> Albany County Undersheriff John R. Mahan =
said=20
this is the first death he can<BR>> remember in an Albany County cave =
in the=20
25 years he has been with the<BR>> department. <AFAIK it's been =
about 25=20
years since any cave death in New <BR>> York. I<BR>> believe there =
was a=20
death while doing vertical work in a nearby cave around <BR>> =
the<BR>> mid=20
to late 70's, and a caver was crushed by falling ice at another =
Albany<BR>>=20
County cave in '76. There would have been  at least two more cave =
diving=20
<BR>> deaths<BR>> in still another Albany County cave in '91  =
when=20
students from the Syracuse<BR>> University Outing Club were trapped =
by a=20
flood. Rescue divers (with no cave<BR>> training) were just about to =
enter a=20
normally dry cave when a member of the<BR>> cave rescue team showed =
up and=20
convinced them they would die if they <BR>> entered.><BR>> =
<BR>>=20
Working in two-man teams, the 10 divers took turns dipping into the=20
frigid<BR>> waters of the tunnel. While the air temperature in the =
cave=20
remains about 55<BR>> degrees year-round, the water temperature is in =
the low=20
40s, the two<BR>> officers said.<BR>> <BR>> "The tunnel
where=20
Svensson's body is trapped is only about 18-24 inches in<BR>> =
diameter and,=20
with his body in that space too, there's not much room<BR>> to work," =
Apple=20
said.<BR>> <BR>> After several hours of work, the divers still =
could not=20
free the body, Apple<BR>> said. About 1:30 a.m. today, the decision =
was made=20
to bring the divers out<BR>> of the cave.<BR>> <BR>> "We're =
going to=20
get them some rest, discuss this, and come up with a<BR>> different =
plan in=20
the morning," Apple said.<BR>> <BR>> <BR></FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:n2gypsy@wz*.co*" title=3Dn2gypsy@wz*.co*>Michael =
Domitrek</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com"=20
  title=3Dtechdiver@aquanaut.com>techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 01,
2001 =
4:56=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> NY Cave
Fatality</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyone have any information on this, =
spotted a=20
  small article in the local paper. Article stated it was at =
Clarksville, NY=20
  cave and that as of Tuesday they could not recover the =
body........ =20
  Michael</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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