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Wendell, there is something about threatening ones air diving that is very similar to telling somebody they have a drinking problem - they will defend it to the hilt. Nitrogen is obviously a very powerful and seductive drug. Why would intelligent people otherwise want to believe they are "good on air" or think they need to practice air diving, teach air diving or dive air at all? The only other thing they really seem to get upset with me about is the DCS preconditions, and the really stupid stuff they have painted themselves into a corner on, like 80/20 and such. We basically have out there a while legion of dive instructors who have failed to warn their people about the real risks, told them bullshit, and don't want to get caught. They must really hate my ass, and then there are the Never Evers who hate me as well. The thing about diving is that you must have all the information, and then you must actually like it. Lacking either leads to the kind of insane attacks you see these guy pull on me. They are either ignorant, scared, or both ( usually both). iginal Message ----- From: "Wendell Grogan" <wgrogan@dc*.ne*> To: "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*> Cc: "Hungry Hill" <hungryh@nc*.ne*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 8:26 PM Subject: Re: Clarification cycle cell typo > I really think there are some people out there who cannot tell the difference > between flaming people who are obviously wrong and ridicule. > Should GI state something that is just plain wrong, I will be amongst the first > to point it out (as I think he would want). On the other hand, when someone > makes a simple error, only lawyers, catfish, and similar bottom dwellers would > use that as a reason to ridicule what is otherwise a reasonable attempt to help > us all stay alive and well. Whatever else attracts people to this group, I > would hope that a mutual desire to save each other's butts is primary. Why else > would we put up with each other? > Wendell Grogan > > Trey wrote: > > > Fuck you , asshole. Read it again. I am talking about red cell rigidity. I > > looked into the other non diving case of cell rigidity because my buddy's > > kid has it - that has little or nothing to do with supporting my statement, > > and I have put this info out on here six years ago, you twit. > > > > Ask Grogan if he sees it like you do. He said he agreed completely except I > > spelled it wrong. You are one severe asshole, and are clearly part of the > > problem out there. Anything to obscure good info on why not to air dive - > > anything. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Hungry Hill" <hungryh@nc*.ne*> > > To: "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*> > > Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:51 AM > > Subject: Re: Clarification cycle cell typo > > > > > >I picked up on it and corrected it . "Typos" are usually what guys like > > you > > > >come after me for and that is the "short version". If this is all you can > > do > > > >after six years of my stuff on hear, and complain about me not being nice > > to > > > >idiots, then I guess I am ok. > > > > > > > >You come up with some answers , or in fact, let ANYONE come up with > > answers > > > >, and I'll sit back and WRITE THEM DOWN. The problem is you do not have > > any, > > > >but you are obviously intent on being an asshole. > > > > > > > >Go ask "doc" Black or his bible , Gilliam's book, anything and see how > > those > > > >answers compare. I have made a serious study of this stuff and bet my > > life > > > >doing it. What the fuck have you done, asshole? > > > > > > Thanks for the relatively polite response George. > > > > > > You did not "pick up on it". Someone else did (Wendell Grogan). You did > > not > > > correct it. You tried to pawn it off as a typo. It was obviously not a > > typo > > > and it is beneath your respected position in the dive world to try to > > bully > > > your way out of this. I only wrote because I haven't done doodly squat in > > > the world of diving and have found the DIR approach to be pretty much 100% > > > (not that I am in any official position to judge) This places me very much > > > in your hands as I make choices about how to acquire the skills necessary > > > to do dives beyond 130 fsw. > > > > > > It shook me up real bad to see you obviously fabricating material to > > > support a point you were making. Then I further find out from you that > > your > > > knowledge of the subject comes from conversation with a buddy while > > pumping > > > iron (I quote your words here "I known about it because one of my workout > > > buddy's kid's has it"). > > > > > > The point is, "cycle cell enemia" is possibly a typo, but to say the > > > disease is called "cycle cell anemia" becuase the "cells cycle" is making > > > up stuff on the fly to support your point. No big deal you might say, but > > > what if you were talking about a gas mix and fell into the same trap. I > > > sure hope you would retract it without any sideways attempts to obscure > > the > > > error. > > > > > > Since I don't know squat and depend on you and the DIR approach to guide > > > me, it is imperative that you know all the squats. It's obvious that you > > > know more about long exposures at depth than just about anybody in the > > > world. Why jeopardize the trust that generates by defending a small error > > > in judgment? And don't try to tell me it was a typo, you had your mouth in > > > gear and your brain on idle, we all do it sometimes. Like I said, I don't > > > expect you to be perfect, but I sure hope you do your best, because I will > > > be betting my life on it too. > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bruce Bowers > > > film/video composer, multi-instrumentalist > > > Akimbo Music Prod/Hungry Hill Records > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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