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--Apple-Mail-2069638321-6 content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Unfortunalty, Ian, this is an industry which has to cater to the lowest = common denominator. Espcially in tourist areas where the divers = commitment to the sport amounts to 2 dives per year. This is a real pain = to divers trying to do it right. The blame for this can directly be put = on the rec training agencies who's goal is to turn out C-cards above all = else. This is why is is so scary to see PADI and NAUI starting up tech = programs. When I said industry-wide ban, what I was referring to is for dive = training agencies to stop teaching people that using nitrox with PPO2 of = 1.5 to 1.6 is a dandy way to avoid decompression. There is a better ways = of extending your bottom time which, IMHO, are safer and have less = potential for screwups. Jim Yes, my opinion on the PPO2 limit is completely uninforceabl On Wednesday, October 11, 2000, at 06:10 PM, Ian Puleston wrote: Honestly, you guys are either very shortsighted, highly prejudiced, or extremely arrogant. I suspect all three, but mostly the latter. = Certainly there are rec. divers out there who cannot change a fin strap, but we = are talking about a community that encompasses a whole range of diving = abilities from the incompetents who shouldn't be in the water up to very = experienced and competent divers. There are rec. divers out there who are better = divers than many on this list will ever be. There are many rec. divers who are technical divers on other weekends. There are many rec. divers who are very capable of safely using Nitrox, = and would be just as capable of handling other such gases were they allowed = in recreational diving. Don't forget the "can't change a fin strap" brigade seldom dive Nitrox because they don't do the dives where its needed. As for Jim's suggestion on an industry-wide ban on PO2s over 1.2. So you advocate regulation of an area of diving in which you're not involved because you think its a little bit dangerous. Lets see, what other areas = of diving can we see that are a little bit dangerous - maybe going inside wrecks, people die doing that - sounds like we need an industry wide ban there too. Cave diving ...... > -----Original Message----- > From: stuart.morrison@sw*.co*.uk* > [mailto:stuart.morrison@sw*.co*.uk*] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 8:11 AM > To: cobber@ci*.co*; dmdalton@qu*.ne* > Cc: dwiden@ho*.co*; donburke56@ne*.ne*; Bakalite@ba*.co*; > techdiver@aquanaut.com > Subject: RE: rec trimix > > > Jim, > > > if you need to spend more time down > > there then you need > > to do it right with doubles and a deco plan > > at last someone talking sense, trimix on single bottles, recreational > trimix certs, no-deco gas diving tables... what next - fat tourists in > lycra skins trying to work out gas dives on the wheel, wearing Zeagle > BCD's and black snorkles and trying to find somewhere to stuff their > Spare Air? We are talking about a community that cannot change a > finstrap > without taking a training course first. It's a noble aim to "save" rec > divers from narcosis, but this is not the answer, it's a quick > fix, it is > not a solution. If you dive gas then dive it properly, this is > beyond the > realm of recreational diving. > > > > Visit our web site at www.scott-wilson.com > > Privilege and Confidentiality Notice. > This e-mail and any attachments to it are intended only for the party > to whom they are addressed. They may contain privileged and/or > confidential information. If you have received this transmission in > error, please notify the sender immediately and delete any digital > copies and destroy any paper copies. > Thank you. > > > Scott Wilson Scotland Ltd > Registered in Scotland No. 48951, > Registered Office: 6 Park Circus, Glasgow, G3 6AX. UK. > > > = ________________________________________________________________________ > This message has been checked for all known viruses, by Star Internet, > delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. > For further information visit: > http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to = `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to = `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. --Apple-Mail-2069638321-6 content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii <fontfamily><param>Helvetica</param>Unfortunalty, Ian, this is an = industry which has to cater to the lowest common denominator. Espcially = in tourist areas where the divers commitment to the sport amounts to 2 = dives per year. This is a real pain to divers trying to do it right. The = blame for this can directly be put on the rec training agencies who's = goal is to turn out C-cards above all else. This is why is is so scary = to see PADI and NAUI starting up tech programs. When I said industry-wide ban, what I was referring to is for dive = training agencies to stop teaching people that using nitrox with PPO2 of = 1.5 to 1.6 is a dandy way to avoid decompression. There is a better ways = of extending your bottom time which, IMHO, are safer and have less = potential for screwups. Jim Yes, my opinion on the PPO2 limit is completely uninforceabl On Wednesday, October 11, 2000, at 06:10 PM, Ian Puleston wrote: <italic>Honestly, you guys are either very shortsighted, highly = prejudiced, or</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>extremely arrogant. I suspect all = three, but mostly the latter. = Certainly</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>there are rec. divers out there who = cannot change a fin strap, but we = are</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>talking about a community that = encompasses a whole range of diving = abilities</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>from the incompetents who shouldn't be = in the water up to very = experienced</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>and competent divers. There are rec. = divers out there who are better = divers</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>than many on this list will ever be. = There are many rec. divers who = are</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>technical divers on other = weekends.</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>There are many rec. divers who are very = capable of safely using Nitrox, = and</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>would be just as capable of handling = other such gases were they allowed = in</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>recreational diving. Don't forget the = "can't change a fin strap" = brigade</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>seldom dive Nitrox because they don't = do the dives where its = needed.</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>As for Jim's suggestion on an = industry-wide ban on PO2s over 1.2. So = you</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>advocate regulation of an area of = diving in which you're not = involved</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>because you think its a little bit = dangerous. Lets see, what other areas = of</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>diving can we see that are a little bit = dangerous - maybe going = inside</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>wrecks, people die doing that - sounds = like we need an industry wide = ban</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>there too. Cave diving = .......</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> -----Original = Message-----</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> From: = stuart.morrison@sw*.co*.uk*</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</p= aram> <italic></italic></color><italic>> = [mailto:stuart.morrison@sw*.co*.uk*]</italic><color><param>0000,000= 0,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 8:11 = AM</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> To: cobber@ci*.co*; = dmdalton@qu*.ne*</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> Cc: dwiden@ho*.co*; = donburke56@ne*.ne*; = Bakalite@ba*.co*;</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> = techdiver@aquanaut.com</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> Subject: RE: rec = trimix</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> = <italic></italic></color><italic>></italic><color><param>00 00,0000,0000</p= aram> = <italic></italic></color><italic>></italic><color><param>00 00,0000,0000</p= aram> <italic></italic></color><italic>> = Jim,</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> = <italic></italic></color><italic>></italic><color><param>00 00,0000,0000</p= aram> <italic></italic></color><italic>> > if you need to spend more time = down</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> > there then you = need</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> > to do it right with doubles and a = deco plan</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> = <italic></italic></color><italic>></italic><color><param>00 00,0000,0000</p= aram> <italic></italic></color><italic>> at last someone talking sense, trimix = on single bottles, = recreational</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> trimix certs, no-deco gas diving = tables... what next - fat tourists = in</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> lycra skins trying to work out gas = dives on the wheel, wearing = Zeagle</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> BCD's and black snorkles and trying = to find somewhere to stuff = their</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> Spare Air? We are talking about a = community that cannot change = a</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> = finstrap</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> without taking a training course = first. It's a noble aim to "save" = rec</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> divers from narcosis, but this is not = the answer, it's a quick</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> fix, it = is</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> not a solution. If you dive gas then = dive it properly, this is</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> beyond = the</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> realm of recreational = diving.</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> = <italic></italic></color><italic>></italic><color><param>00 00,0000,0000</p= aram> = <italic></italic></color><italic>></italic><color><param>00 00,0000,0000</p= aram> = <italic></italic></color><italic>></italic><color><param>00 00,0000,0000</p= aram> <italic></italic></color><italic>> Visit our web site at = www.scott-wilson.com</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> = <italic></italic></color><italic>></italic><color><param>00 00,0000,0000</p= aram> <italic></italic></color><italic>> Privilege and Confidentiality = Notice.</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> This e-mail and any attachments to it = are intended only for the = party</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> to whom they are addressed. They may = contain privileged and/or</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>> confidential information. 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